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hlthe2b

(114,496 posts)
3. Let's simplify it. Voter ID is NOT the issue. It is RESTRICTIVE ID... That means the type
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 09:10 AM
Apr 30

of IDs that take time, money, and investigative resources for some (who don't have a birth certificate for whatever reason and whose parents are long gone or non-responsive). Those who live in the same state of birth maintain it is easy to get a birth certificate. Sure, if you can take time off from work, drive down to the state or county office, and produce the considerable documentation and fee to receive one. Alternatively, if you have those same documents, you can do so via mail, but most states require a certified submission. And if you are doing so outside the state, the same level of documentation, but beyond the fees, may be some pretty substantial mailing fees that include a special (beyond USPS) tracking. You think you already have one in that baby book your mother carefully created? Well, unless you have used it to get a passport, I would not be so sure. Many people think the hospital-issued certificate of birth is a birth certificate, but in actuality, it is a keepsake document with no legal authority. Whereas a certified birth certificate is a government-issued legal document, often with a raised seal, needed for official identification, passports, and school enrollment. The hospital document is just a souvenir, whereas the state-issued certificate is the official proof of birth.

The birth certificate has always and can continue to prove your citizenship for MOST (for now). That is, as long as birthright citizenship is not overturned, causing ALL of us to prove the citizenship of our parents as well.

So, you say, you will just get a passport or renew one? Well, on the former, you are going to need those certified birth certificates (I say plural because you are nuts if you trust that it might not get misplaced during the process. Everyone should have at least two certified copies. The cost and hoops one must jump through the first time (or if yours has already expired) are considerable. If all were required to have one, the time to get an appointment for processing, not to mention the turnaround time to receive one may leave one incredulous and far too late for many for upcoming elections or other purposes.


So, that quaint little term, "Voter ID," is just that. So, Dems who think that is all they are talking about and want to sound "reasonable" by agreeing with "VOTER ID" as a measure and concept, need to stop it right now!!!! The RW and Trump want it to be, in reality, a RESTRICTIVE ID to rule out as many as possible from voting. STOP using the term "VOTER ID," which most see as innocuous and nonproblematic--just your routine driver's license or other ID. NOPE, the measure SAVE ACT and others being promoted are for RESTRICTIVE ID--those that "prove" citizenship and perhaps in the future, will require proving that of one's parents too, if "birthright" citizenship is overturned by SCOTUS.

In that vein, I would ask the OP, whose post I agree with- after it gets to the lower half, but leads the reader to initially think they are "agreeing with what is only to be "voter ID," to be cautious of that. Many do not have time to read long posts, so the subject line and first paragraph may be all they read. We cannot allow the RW to mask their intent under the guise of simple "voter ID."

A hunting license as ID? Jeebus. Redleg Apr 30 #1
I don't know about hunting license as ID to vote. But gun permits are kosher 70sEraVet Apr 30 #9
Retired nuns barred from voting in Indiana Emile Apr 30 #2
How were they doing in the past? Orangenero Monday #60
This was years ago. Google it. Emile Monday #62
Let's simplify it. Voter ID is NOT the issue. It is RESTRICTIVE ID... That means the type hlthe2b Apr 30 #3
Words matter - to your point, maybe we should all begin referring to these as 'restrictive ID laws.' n/t PatrickforB Apr 30 #10
This is exactly the reason. W_HAMILTON Apr 30 #12
We don't show id at the polls in Illinois although we do show it to register questionseverything Apr 30 #30
But a big new issue if SAVE passes (meaning save Republican pols' asses) is name matching birth certificate surname Attilatheblond Apr 30 #33
Rec.nt jfz9580m Apr 30 #15
It's essentially a poll tax. Liberal In Texas Apr 30 #4
Yup, unless the ID is a right, issued for free Johonny Apr 30 #18
My Grandmother jonstl08 Apr 30 #21
Our (GOP) county recorder sent letters out that seem to be suggesting people need to re-register Attilatheblond Apr 30 #35
Yes it is. And now, at the same time... ananda Apr 30 #45
The goal is to reduce the number of voters dlk Apr 30 #5
Exactly right - "Republicans want to choose their voters" Seinan Sensei Apr 30 #16
Republicans truly do not believe in democracy dlk Saturday #55
A solution designed to disenfranchise voters happy feet Apr 30 #6
DISTRACTION is the Republican M.O. Seinan Sensei Apr 30 #22
They are not trying to fix something that ain't broke. Blumancru Apr 30 #29
You are right about voter fraud being negligible. notinkansas Apr 30 #47
I'd be on board with a nation-wide ID program if it's free - TBF Apr 30 #7
Not needed happy feet Apr 30 #27
I get that republicans are trying to limit who votes - TBF Apr 30 #38
The problem is NOT the idea of an ID to vote. AverageOldGuy Apr 30 #8
The voting system works. That is why they want to fuck it up. twodogsbarking Apr 30 #11
When you get a Real ID drivers' license you have to present Ritabert Apr 30 #13
That Real ID license cost me time and money RainCaster Apr 30 #26
Exactly. They're trying to discourage people from going to all the trouble. Ritabert Apr 30 #43
Majority of Real ID isn't sufficient for the ID requirements Nevilledog Apr 30 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Ritabert Apr 30 #44
It's not. Believing it won't make it true. Nevilledog Apr 30 #46
Even if the exact same documents COULD be used to prove citizenship, Ms. Toad May 1 #52
How many different formats of birth certificate are there? Retrograde Monday #61
In Texas, if you don't have an ID, you can file a "Statement of Reasonable Impediment" LeftInTX Apr 30 #14
Reasons.... OhioBack2Blue Apr 30 #17
In My PA, We Do This At Registration. At Voting, We Sign Our Name,....... ColoringFool Apr 30 #19
If they made IDs easy to obtain especially for married women and poor people it wouldn't be such a big deal Clouds Passing Apr 30 #20
In Fla it is free if you are on SNAP etc EX500rider Saturday #56
Excellent for FL, they've done something good! Clouds Passing Monday #58
If its not a problem then why are states and people still lagging with REal ID Historic NY Apr 30 #23
Only 5 states have an enhanced Real ID that could be used Nevilledog Apr 30 #39
It's the type of ID, I think. piddyprints Apr 30 #24
In 40 years voting happy feet Apr 30 #31
I would think so... piddyprints Apr 30 #34
We could, like some other countries, automatically register citizens when they are born. SidneyR Apr 30 #25
I laid out my thoughts above - you have the same kind of idea TBF Apr 30 #40
I always say to Republicans, "make them free" if you want them so bad. Most start complaining. RoeVWade Apr 30 #28
ID for voting isn't a problem SpankMe Apr 30 #32
I'm fine with needing an ID, as long as the government provides the ID for free. City Lights Apr 30 #37
I think they are basically accusing us of a crime and we have to prove we're innocent, that's wrong Walleye Apr 30 #41
I'm ok with ID laws D_Master81 Apr 30 #42
Older people in retirement homes will be screwed. kerry-is-my-prez May 1 #50
A driver's license (even if free) would not be sufficient under the SAVE act. Ms. Toad May 1 #53
It is to disenfranchise married women who don't have a passport. applegrove May 1 #48
We used to be able to vote with no id. Things didn't go to hell... kerry-is-my-prez May 1 #49
The SAVE ACT is about more than a Voter ID . Most States Already Have Voter ID Indykatie May 1 #51
Exactly LeftInTX Saturday #57
For starters, my gender isn't legally recognised in the US meadowlander May 1 #54
A college ID just says you go to school here, not residency. Melon Monday #59
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