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OhioBack2Blue

(187 posts)
17. Reasons....
Thu Apr 30, 2026, 10:38 AM
Apr 30
1) Rate of voter "fraud." per Brennan Center = 0.00004% essentially NON- EXISTENT and places an UNDUE BURDEN (tax) on citizens.

2) Does not solve any other types of fraud such as absentee ballot fraud or election fraud.

3)There is no evidence that non-citizen immigrants, green-card holders, or immigrants on temporary visas are voting, despite the marketed falsehood that “millions” of noncitizens are voting in U.S. elections.

4) Does not even prevent voter fraud. https://www.nber.org/papers/w25522 "Finally, strict ID requirements have no effect on fraud – actual or perceived. Overall, our findings suggest that efforts to improve elections may be better directed at other reforms." https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/equaldemocracy/2021/04/11/h-r-1-voter-id-and-the-myth-of-voter-fraud/

5) Types of ID accepted are being restricted by Republicons for disingenuous reasons to tip voter turnout to their favor. This negatively impacts oppressed communities, formerly incarcerated, seniors, and disabled.

6) Examples: Bob Smith Sr and Bob Smith Jr, (father / son) even if entered in poll books for the other, will only vote 1x each. Bob Smith Jr then forgets he voted at home, on break from college, then votes at college, this will be caught by the internal accounting controls. Margaret Jones early voted then died before election day... not fraud. Transgender person from Kansas had license revoked, brings student ID, not fraud.

7) The fake "Voter Fraud" problem then of course has never changed the outcome of a state or national election. Shouldn't that outcome carry some weight worth considering?

8) Asking questions is fantastic. MAGA are you paying attention? It is also clear you have never worked elections as a judge. I encourage you to do so to understand just how many accountability controls were already in place before all these Republicon shenanigans started.

9) These "active measures" then end up STOPPING THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF ELIGIBLE and LEGITIMATE CITIZENS across the nation from voting and this DOES change the outcome of elections. Is this what you want? Then let's think critically, ask questions, and talk honestly about this very real problem of VOTER SUPPRESSION.

Now will you accept the actual evidence and data? Or just cling tightly to your privilege and feelings a la "what’s the big deal with [asking for specific ID when] VOTING FOR OUR COUNTRY’S LEADERSHIP?"

- Signed
An election judge, technical election judge, roving election judge - 15 plus years

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A hunting license as ID? Jeebus. Redleg Apr 30 #1
I don't know about hunting license as ID to vote. But gun permits are kosher 70sEraVet Apr 30 #9
Retired nuns barred from voting in Indiana Emile Apr 30 #2
How were they doing in the past? Orangenero Monday #60
This was years ago. Google it. Emile Monday #62
Let's simplify it. Voter ID is NOT the issue. It is RESTRICTIVE ID... That means the type hlthe2b Apr 30 #3
Words matter - to your point, maybe we should all begin referring to these as 'restrictive ID laws.' n/t PatrickforB Apr 30 #10
This is exactly the reason. W_HAMILTON Apr 30 #12
We don't show id at the polls in Illinois although we do show it to register questionseverything Apr 30 #30
But a big new issue if SAVE passes (meaning save Republican pols' asses) is name matching birth certificate surname Attilatheblond Apr 30 #33
Rec.nt jfz9580m Apr 30 #15
It's essentially a poll tax. Liberal In Texas Apr 30 #4
Yup, unless the ID is a right, issued for free Johonny Apr 30 #18
My Grandmother jonstl08 Apr 30 #21
Our (GOP) county recorder sent letters out that seem to be suggesting people need to re-register Attilatheblond Apr 30 #35
Yes it is. And now, at the same time... ananda Apr 30 #45
The goal is to reduce the number of voters dlk Apr 30 #5
Exactly right - "Republicans want to choose their voters" Seinan Sensei Apr 30 #16
Republicans truly do not believe in democracy dlk Saturday #55
A solution designed to disenfranchise voters happy feet Apr 30 #6
DISTRACTION is the Republican M.O. Seinan Sensei Apr 30 #22
They are not trying to fix something that ain't broke. Blumancru Apr 30 #29
You are right about voter fraud being negligible. notinkansas Apr 30 #47
I'd be on board with a nation-wide ID program if it's free - TBF Apr 30 #7
Not needed happy feet Apr 30 #27
I get that republicans are trying to limit who votes - TBF Apr 30 #38
The problem is NOT the idea of an ID to vote. AverageOldGuy Apr 30 #8
The voting system works. That is why they want to fuck it up. twodogsbarking Apr 30 #11
When you get a Real ID drivers' license you have to present Ritabert Apr 30 #13
That Real ID license cost me time and money RainCaster Apr 30 #26
Exactly. They're trying to discourage people from going to all the trouble. Ritabert Apr 30 #43
Majority of Real ID isn't sufficient for the ID requirements Nevilledog Apr 30 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Ritabert Apr 30 #44
It's not. Believing it won't make it true. Nevilledog Apr 30 #46
Even if the exact same documents COULD be used to prove citizenship, Ms. Toad May 1 #52
How many different formats of birth certificate are there? Retrograde Monday #61
In Texas, if you don't have an ID, you can file a "Statement of Reasonable Impediment" LeftInTX Apr 30 #14
Reasons.... OhioBack2Blue Apr 30 #17
In My PA, We Do This At Registration. At Voting, We Sign Our Name,....... ColoringFool Apr 30 #19
If they made IDs easy to obtain especially for married women and poor people it wouldn't be such a big deal Clouds Passing Apr 30 #20
In Fla it is free if you are on SNAP etc EX500rider Saturday #56
Excellent for FL, they've done something good! Clouds Passing Monday #58
If its not a problem then why are states and people still lagging with REal ID Historic NY Apr 30 #23
Only 5 states have an enhanced Real ID that could be used Nevilledog Apr 30 #39
It's the type of ID, I think. piddyprints Apr 30 #24
In 40 years voting happy feet Apr 30 #31
I would think so... piddyprints Apr 30 #34
We could, like some other countries, automatically register citizens when they are born. SidneyR Apr 30 #25
I laid out my thoughts above - you have the same kind of idea TBF Apr 30 #40
I always say to Republicans, "make them free" if you want them so bad. Most start complaining. RoeVWade Apr 30 #28
ID for voting isn't a problem SpankMe Apr 30 #32
I'm fine with needing an ID, as long as the government provides the ID for free. City Lights Apr 30 #37
I think they are basically accusing us of a crime and we have to prove we're innocent, that's wrong Walleye Apr 30 #41
I'm ok with ID laws D_Master81 Apr 30 #42
Older people in retirement homes will be screwed. kerry-is-my-prez May 1 #50
A driver's license (even if free) would not be sufficient under the SAVE act. Ms. Toad May 1 #53
It is to disenfranchise married women who don't have a passport. applegrove May 1 #48
We used to be able to vote with no id. Things didn't go to hell... kerry-is-my-prez May 1 #49
The SAVE ACT is about more than a Voter ID . Most States Already Have Voter ID Indykatie May 1 #51
Exactly LeftInTX Saturday #57
For starters, my gender isn't legally recognised in the US meadowlander May 1 #54
A college ID just says you go to school here, not residency. Melon Monday #59
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