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In reply to the discussion: Why is an ID mandate for voting such a problem? [View all]OhioBack2Blue
(187 posts)17. Reasons....
1) Rate of voter "fraud." per Brennan Center = 0.00004% essentially NON- EXISTENT and places an UNDUE BURDEN (tax) on citizens.
2) Does not solve any other types of fraud such as absentee ballot fraud or election fraud.
3)There is no evidence that non-citizen immigrants, green-card holders, or immigrants on temporary visas are voting, despite the marketed falsehood that millions of noncitizens are voting in U.S. elections.
4) Does not even prevent voter fraud. https://www.nber.org/papers/w25522 "Finally, strict ID requirements have no effect on fraud actual or perceived. Overall, our findings suggest that efforts to improve elections may be better directed at other reforms." https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/equaldemocracy/2021/04/11/h-r-1-voter-id-and-the-myth-of-voter-fraud/
5) Types of ID accepted are being restricted by Republicons for disingenuous reasons to tip voter turnout to their favor. This negatively impacts oppressed communities, formerly incarcerated, seniors, and disabled.
6) Examples: Bob Smith Sr and Bob Smith Jr, (father / son) even if entered in poll books for the other, will only vote 1x each. Bob Smith Jr then forgets he voted at home, on break from college, then votes at college, this will be caught by the internal accounting controls. Margaret Jones early voted then died before election day... not fraud. Transgender person from Kansas had license revoked, brings student ID, not fraud.
7) The fake "Voter Fraud" problem then of course has never changed the outcome of a state or national election. Shouldn't that outcome carry some weight worth considering?
8) Asking questions is fantastic. MAGA are you paying attention? It is also clear you have never worked elections as a judge. I encourage you to do so to understand just how many accountability controls were already in place before all these Republicon shenanigans started.
9) These "active measures" then end up STOPPING THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF ELIGIBLE and LEGITIMATE CITIZENS across the nation from voting and this DOES change the outcome of elections. Is this what you want? Then let's think critically, ask questions, and talk honestly about this very real problem of VOTER SUPPRESSION.
Now will you accept the actual evidence and data? Or just cling tightly to your privilege and feelings a la "whats the big deal with [asking for specific ID when] VOTING FOR OUR COUNTRYS LEADERSHIP?"
- Signed
An election judge, technical election judge, roving election judge - 15 plus years
2) Does not solve any other types of fraud such as absentee ballot fraud or election fraud.
3)There is no evidence that non-citizen immigrants, green-card holders, or immigrants on temporary visas are voting, despite the marketed falsehood that millions of noncitizens are voting in U.S. elections.
4) Does not even prevent voter fraud. https://www.nber.org/papers/w25522 "Finally, strict ID requirements have no effect on fraud actual or perceived. Overall, our findings suggest that efforts to improve elections may be better directed at other reforms." https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/equaldemocracy/2021/04/11/h-r-1-voter-id-and-the-myth-of-voter-fraud/
5) Types of ID accepted are being restricted by Republicons for disingenuous reasons to tip voter turnout to their favor. This negatively impacts oppressed communities, formerly incarcerated, seniors, and disabled.
6) Examples: Bob Smith Sr and Bob Smith Jr, (father / son) even if entered in poll books for the other, will only vote 1x each. Bob Smith Jr then forgets he voted at home, on break from college, then votes at college, this will be caught by the internal accounting controls. Margaret Jones early voted then died before election day... not fraud. Transgender person from Kansas had license revoked, brings student ID, not fraud.
7) The fake "Voter Fraud" problem then of course has never changed the outcome of a state or national election. Shouldn't that outcome carry some weight worth considering?
8) Asking questions is fantastic. MAGA are you paying attention? It is also clear you have never worked elections as a judge. I encourage you to do so to understand just how many accountability controls were already in place before all these Republicon shenanigans started.
9) These "active measures" then end up STOPPING THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF ELIGIBLE and LEGITIMATE CITIZENS across the nation from voting and this DOES change the outcome of elections. Is this what you want? Then let's think critically, ask questions, and talk honestly about this very real problem of VOTER SUPPRESSION.
Now will you accept the actual evidence and data? Or just cling tightly to your privilege and feelings a la "whats the big deal with [asking for specific ID when] VOTING FOR OUR COUNTRYS LEADERSHIP?"
- Signed
An election judge, technical election judge, roving election judge - 15 plus years
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Let's simplify it. Voter ID is NOT the issue. It is RESTRICTIVE ID... That means the type
hlthe2b
Apr 30
#3
Words matter - to your point, maybe we should all begin referring to these as 'restrictive ID laws.' n/t
PatrickforB
Apr 30
#10
We don't show id at the polls in Illinois although we do show it to register
questionseverything
Apr 30
#30
But a big new issue if SAVE passes (meaning save Republican pols' asses) is name matching birth certificate surname
Attilatheblond
Apr 30
#33
Our (GOP) county recorder sent letters out that seem to be suggesting people need to re-register
Attilatheblond
Apr 30
#35
In Texas, if you don't have an ID, you can file a "Statement of Reasonable Impediment"
LeftInTX
Apr 30
#14
If they made IDs easy to obtain especially for married women and poor people it wouldn't be such a big deal
Clouds Passing
Apr 30
#20
If its not a problem then why are states and people still lagging with REal ID
Historic NY
Apr 30
#23
We could, like some other countries, automatically register citizens when they are born.
SidneyR
Apr 30
#25
I always say to Republicans, "make them free" if you want them so bad. Most start complaining.
RoeVWade
Apr 30
#28
I'm fine with needing an ID, as long as the government provides the ID for free.
City Lights
Apr 30
#37