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BaronChocula

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56. It seems Democrats just can't win

Sat May 2, 2026, 02:18 PM

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When republicans actually run on attacking trans rights (for example) and Democrats as defenders of rights speak out against those attacks it becomes "Democrats are going to far to the left running on trans issues." When Democrats run on kitchen table issues and win like they have been since 2024 it becomes "Dems need an agenda."

When self-identifying Democrats or Democratic-adjacent people say that crap to me I tell them the fox news talking points have rubbed off on them. They don't like that very much.

I do appreciate Stevens's comment. And it's actually okay to express confidence with a little humor. Unfortunately, there are some who throw accusations of complacency around (or "complaicance" as someone recently responded to me) when you make light of republican chaos and failure. But I'll keep doing it dammit!

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OMG! Stuart Stevens just now on MSNOW left everyone gasping [View all] senseandsensibility May 1 OP

Speaker of the California Assembly, Rob Rivas, disagrees. CoopersDad May 1 #1

That opinion is widely held among Dems senseandsensibility May 1 #2

It seems Democrats just can't win BaronChocula Saturday #56

Yes, the Dems are constantly being accused of not having an agenda senseandsensibility Saturday #59

Rec for visibility - because it's important TBF May 1 #17

If that were true, then why are Democrats destroying Republicans in genric ballot polls without a detailed party agenda? Wiz Imp May 1 #20

Low bar Cirsium Saturday #55

Um, that was exactly Stevens point Wiz Imp Saturday #60

recap Cirsium Saturday #61

Yes, it is important, and Perhaps Why Cha May 1 #52

And what makes Rob Rivas opinion better than Stuart Stevens? Wiz Imp May 1 #19

Certainly in California - TBF May 1 #33

All this stuff for the most part of Democrats for decades standingtall May 1 #21

Exactly. It's a cheap talking point for lazy media. vanlassie May 1 #37

If Democrats get the upper hand misanthrope May 1 #30

Having an agenda as well couldn't hurt. Wednesdays May 1 #3

Really, we can do both. travelingthrulife May 1 #27

Let's go with the GOP... homegirl May 1 #36

A party without an agenda is a disservice to its members TheProle May 1 #4

And... that is about as well as I can put it, so Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E May 1 #14

A party that fails to make the case and build the political will for things like Universal Health Care is a disservice. pat_k May 1 #49

A differing perspective: Fiendish Thingy May 1 #5

They need at codify schedule three cannabis... SonOfNebanaube May 1 #6

The risk is just to damn high. Prairie_Seagull May 1 #7

People prefer bad leadership to no leadership Azathoth1 May 1 #8

First post, 23 year old account JoseBalow May 1 #18

First-time poster, long-time lurker Soul_of_Wit May 1 #34

Every American needs an homegirl May 1 #35

Good thing we Dems have Good Leadership.. Cha Saturday #53

A party without an agenda will be back in the minority in 2 years durablend May 1 #9

Legs and eggs underpants May 1 #10

That %$!! quote encapsulates everything that is wrong with the Democratic party. cer7711 May 1 #11

Agreed. The country is not only ready for, but is demanding a new New Deal that puts the needs of We the People flashman13 May 1 #24

FDR didn't run on the New Deal in 1932 DBoon May 1 #32

Which show? Which anchor if we want to find it? Amaryllis May 1 #12

Katy Tur senseandsensibility May 1 #15

Katy Tur is a lazy media person. vanlassie May 1 #38

I think we can walk and chew gum... Escape May 1 #13

Thanks for getting it senseandsensibility May 1 #16

Yeah, LOL! Misogyny is hilarious. Maru Kitteh May 1 #22

I disagree Beaverhausen May 1 #23

That stong hand is likely to get strengthen as the summer wears on misanthrope May 1 #25

We need an agenda! Sanity Claws May 1 #26

I don't see why it's either/or. It should be easy to provide a message spooky3 May 1 #28

We'll pick up way more seats if we provide a rational alternative. paleotn May 1 #29

Keep It Simple, Stupid (KISS) Soul_of_Wit May 1 #31

Biden did those things you mentioned. vanlassie May 1 #40

True, but doing is not messaging Soul_of_Wit Saturday #54

I think there's a difference between and agenda vanlassie Saturday #64

It takes more effective framing than that. pat_k May 1 #46

We do need a agenda to make democracy stronger Haru May 1 #39

The no lifetime positions in the federal Government sounds good on paper standingtall May 1 #48

A Chicken in Every Pot F-18_AMO May 1 #41

Anti-corruption, Pro working people. That's not too radical is it? NoSheep May 1 #42

Agenda is irrelevant without effective communication. pat_k May 1 #43

The "agenda" is as obvious as it could possibly be nikatnyte May 1 #44

Being unserious for a sec. BidenRocks May 1 #45

It's true. W_HAMILTON May 1 #47

yes it will be enough, however it is an incorrect RW and MSM meme that dems don't have anything else to offer. There wiggs May 1 #50

I made both of those points in my OP senseandsensibility May 1 #51

Trump is unpopular in polling SpankMe Saturday #57

I am trying to be optimistic senseandsensibility Saturday #58

bullsh/t DoBW Saturday #62

They better have a plan to ensure that things change once they are in office. boston bean Saturday #63