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Fiendish Thingy

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121. Only two are close to retiring, and here is how I expect that will work:

Sat May 2, 2026, 08:47 PM

May 2

If Dems retake the senate in November, then Alito and Clarence will announce their retirements immediately after election day, and Trump will fill their seats before the end of 2026. If Dems don’t retake the senate, then I expect Alito and Clarence to retire before the end of his term in 2028.

I don’t see any other MAGA justices heading for retirement soon- Kagan and Sotomayor are the only other likely candidates, and maybe Roberts, but I think he would take his chances that there will be a republican in the WH in 2032, or even 2036, when he would be 82.

So, Roberts is the only wild card where a Dem president might get to fill a seat held by a conservative in the next 10 years.

That would shift the majority from 6-3 to 5-4, still not be enough to overturn Dobbs, restore voting rights or strip away presidential immunity.

How long should folks have to wait?

Even with court expansion, Americans will continue to be deprived of various rights for at least another three years; without expansion, those rights remain off the table for at least a decade, likely more.

Demanding Dem candidates’ support for court expansion is in no way a “purity” test; it is an “ability to govern” test. If they seek to represent their constituents in congress, then they should take their job of legislating seriously, and not just go through the motions,

After expanding the court, all Dem legislators would be free to vote their conscience on any other bill that came to the floor. If a bill passes, the Dems could feel secure that it would be implemented, and not quickly overturned by an extremist court.

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A hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who helped bigots and fascists capture the Supreme Court. [View all] lapucelle May 2 OP

That's pretty much Mitch McConnell -misanthroptimist May 2 #1

If Al Gore had won in 2000, there would be no Roberts Court, no Samuel Alito, no Citizens United, lapucelle May 2 #3

That's an assumption about Gore Polybius May 2 #24

Gore would have been a far better President compared to bush LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #67

If the Rehnquist 5 hadn't stopped the legal Florida 2000 vote count DemocracyForever Tuesday #196

How did he steal one from Biden? Polybius May 2 #22

Amy coney Barrett debsy May 2 #26

I see what you're saying Polybius May 2 #31

It's a steal due to McC's own standard set with Beer Bro -misanthroptimist May 2 #32

For clarity about McConnell's hypocrisy debsy May 2 #38

It was clearly hypocrisy--- since they blocked Obama's last SC nomination Jack Valentino Sunday #138

Even had they given Garland a vote, he still could have been voted down MichMan Sunday #167

as we will be under no obligation to give any Republican SC nominee a hearing or a vote, Jack Valentino Monday #191

Where did I say he wasn't due a vote; up or down? MichMan Monday #192

I'M SAYING IT !--- since McConnell made that the 'new norm'! Jack Valentino Tuesday #193

Exactly this debsy May 2 #23

NO.. It's all of them. nt Cha May 2 #91

I wouldn't count both of them, but clearly fair to count one karynnj May 2 #99

And let's not forget Newt Gingerich and his Contract on America... IthinkThereforeIAM Sunday #156

Does that include those who helped confirm Thomas, Alito and Roberts? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #2

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. I told you who is on my list. Feel free to make your own list and post an OP. lapucelle May 2 #4

But your list includes 2024 voters Fiendish Thingy May 2 #6

Read more carefully. Like I said, it doesn't work on me. lapucelle May 2 #8

Yes, but - read up on the "shadow docket" - it is NOT only about SC justice appointments RandomNumbers May 2 #9

Indeed, those recent leaks reveal Roberts as the architect of the Shadow Docket Fiendish Thingy May 2 #14

But the effect of this corrupt court is greatly amplified by the 2nd TSF admin RandomNumbers May 2 #15

The recent murder of the final pillar of the VRA would have happened regardless of who was the current president Fiendish Thingy May 2 #18

'Strange and inconsistent criteria'? Bobstandard May 2 #28

There's nothing "strange and inconsistent" about calling out the folks who help Republicans win. lapucelle May 2 #41

Agree totally. Bobstandard May 2 #43

Fighting for Democrats and standing up to, taking on, calling out those helping Republicans win betsuni May 2 #55

No Kidding! But apparently we'd be Cha May 2 #97

Roberts and Alito were appointed by G.W. Bush, and the OP mentions 2000 muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #195

Why not? SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #16

Unless one of the Liberals dies or retires, any new appointments won't matter. Fiendish Thingy May 2 #19

Every appointment matters SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #20

They will matter because Trump will appoint someone at least as bad, who will be there for the next 40 years. Crunchy Frog May 2 #34

It won't change the 6-3 make up of the court through 2028 Fiendish Thingy May 2 #42

That's short term thinking SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #47

I prefer to seek solutions Fiendish Thingy May 2 #56

Fine SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #60

Expansion is the most feasible option that exists Fiendish Thingy May 2 #62

It's still only one longshot option SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #63

It won't take 60 votes - that's where the courage requirement comes in Fiendish Thingy May 2 #65

Never claimed I had any SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #66

So, you agree then that expansion should be priority #1? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #75

The only thing I agree to SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #78

Enjoy your time in the quicksand of spleen venting. Fiendish Thingy May 2 #81

I prefer to seek realistic solutions SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #83

There is only one realistic solution Fiendish Thingy May 2 #90

Again, my point was always SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #92

It's been attempted. mzmolly May 2 #74

The court has been expanded and contracted numerous times throughout history Fiendish Thingy May 2 #76

We need congress, the senate and the White House. mzmolly May 2 #77

Enforcing article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever Tuesday #197

Enforcing Article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever 18 hrs ago #218

That's not going to happen without changing the constitution Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #220

Wrong, Article 3 section 2 of the constitution DemocracyForever 17 hrs ago #221

Article III, sec 2, clause 2 Fiendish Thingy 17 hrs ago #224

Once again, you're wrong! DemocracyForever 17 hrs ago #227

History and Reality says otherwise Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #228

History and reality are on my side DemocracyForever 15 hrs ago #229

Californian by birth, Canadian by choice Fiendish Thingy 12 hrs ago #230

You are assuming that the court will be expanded. Honest question - RandomNumbers May 2 #50

The mechanism is legislation passed through congress Fiendish Thingy May 2 #58

Do you have confidence that all the likely D primary winners RandomNumbers May 2 #59

It must be a concerted effort and a litmus test for 2026 and 2028 Fiendish Thingy May 2 #61

Litmus test? mzmolly May 2 #73

They have plenty of vulnerabilities that Dems can exploit during their campaigns Fiendish Thingy May 2 #79

I disagree on the litmus test. mzmolly May 2 #82

Failure to expand the court means the Trump era will continue for decades Fiendish Thingy May 2 #88

Again, we need all three branches mzmolly May 2 #102

Without court expansion, we surrender the judicial branch for a generation Fiendish Thingy May 2 #115

I understand the concern. mzmolly May 2 #119

Only two are close to retiring, and here is how I expect that will work: Fiendish Thingy May 2 #121

Two is better than none. mzmolly May 2 #125

Two what? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #127

I'm sorry you don't understand my point. mzmolly May 2 #130

Litmus test AKA SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #80

Exactly. We know what's coming, right? mzmolly May 2 #84

Yup SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #87

The court should be expanded mantra, mzmolly May 2 #72

And Barron would serve for 50 years mcar May 2 #96

If the court were expanded to 15 seats after Barron were appointed, I could live with that Fiendish Thingy May 2 #101

Anyone who refused to make way for a younger successor? BeyondGeography May 2 #5

Bernie Sanders is 84. Nixie May 2 #10

Lol BeyondGeography May 2 #11

LOL indeed. Nixie May 2 #13

I believe the Supreme Court is the topic under whathehell May 2 #33

That was also already answered. None of this Supreme Court Nixie May 2 #118

What was already answered? whathehell May 2 #124

Of course you don't. Ageism doesn't apply when you like Nixie Sunday #139

Your assumption is laughably off the mark. whathehell Sunday #171

There is actual history about my comment. It's obvious why you would not recognize it. Nixie Sunday #172

Sorry, but what 'history' are you referencing? whathehell Sunday #173

As I said, it's very obvious you are not going to get it. Nixie Sunday #175

Lol..No one else seems to be "getting it" either whathehell Sunday #186

Your version of "no one else " also doesn't get it. Nixie Sunday #187

..Is this really the best you can do? whathehell Sunday #188

I certainly believe you when you say you don't get it. Nixie Sunday #189

Exactly, Nixie... The Bottom Line. Cha Sunday #135

Hi Cha! It's so interesting to see how the selective ageism Nixie Sunday #140

Yeah, isn't it, though. Cha Sunday #142

Yes, I definitely remember all the scolds about the Supreme Court being a distraction from the *real* evil -- Nixie Sunday #145

Well Done, Nixie.. Cha Sunday #146

"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech, which you would want to share with the American betsuni Sunday #147

We were constantly scolded during the 2016 GE, Cha mcar Sunday #177

Dismissed as "identity politics." The white working class men who take showers at the end of the day revolution betsuni Sunday #180

And now voting rights and reproductive freedom are gone mcar Sunday #183

Creating dysfunction and blaming it on others. betsuni Sunday #185

And just last night... SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #17

Yes. I'm almost afraid to mention that on this forum. Crunchy Frog May 2 #37

"FUCK YOU," and you better vote for the Democratic nominee this time! Martin Eden May 2 #7

Ruth Ginsburg should have retired n/t leftstreet May 2 #12

We would still have the Roberts Court, Samuel Alito, Citizens United, and two out of the three Trump conservatives. lapucelle May 2 #21

Gore shouldn't have run with LIEberman leftstreet May 2 #25

Yep. progressoid May 2 #44

Gore Did Because JL Was First To Criticize Bill/Monica. ColoringFool May 2 #106

Lieberman increased crucial Jewish community votes DemocracyForever Friday #216

Oh, it is more than just her being "a liberal female justice" Behind the Aegis May 2 #93

Funny how it's Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fault and Al Gore's fault for picking Joe Lieberman. lapucelle May 2 #114

Time to stop blaming Gore for GOP election stealing DemocracyForever Friday #217

Hillary warned us LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #179

Damn right. Things wouldn't be perfect if Obama had chosen her replacement, but they'd be a hell of a lot better. Crunchy Frog May 2 #40

;-{) MISSING JUSTICE Goonch May 2 #27

Kick & Rec mcar May 2 #29

Remarkable that folks blame Al Gore and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, lapucelle May 2 #39

Feebly blaming Democrats, smirking "we could do this all day." Why? What's the point? Hating Democrats? betsuni May 2 #57

If you dig deeper, I am sure you could find a "coincidence". Behind the Aegis May 2 #94

It never changes. Always someone else to hold responsible mcar May 2 #95

They' were not paying attention to Cha May 2 #108

That's the way to pull in votes - TBF May 2 #30

Third party voters and folks for whom Democrats are never good enough lapucelle May 2 #36

They are a majority now. How do we win without them? progressoid May 2 #45

Third party voters and *protest* nonvoters are not the majority of voters. N/T lapucelle May 2 #46

And yet, they often decide elections which has consequences progressoid May 2 #51

You're conflating third party voters and purity-protest nonvoters with politically independent voters. lapucelle May 2 #53

Exactly. TY for explaining that. nt Cha May 2 #111

Nader and Stein helped create Trump DemocracyForever 18 hrs ago #219

Too many praised and pandered to them. LeftInTX Thursday #211

Too many naval-gazers don't understand (or don't care) how our political process actually works dlk May 2 #35

Where is Ralph Nader these days? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2 #48

92 And Still A Gadfly: ColoringFool May 2 #107

We could have packed that damn court between 2020 and 2022 if Democrats had been bold risk takers instead of lees1975 May 2 #49

"Aukshully, I blame Al Gore, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Democrats in general". lapucelle May 2 #52

The inability to recognize and hopefully fix failures in our party are most often led by those blaming Melon Sunday #141

Perhaps it sounds like "the voters who don't vote" but the people being blamed are, in fact, the ASSHOLES RandomNumbers Sunday #164

Let me add another hearty one. betsuni May 2 #54

I could not agree more!! aeromanKC May 2 #64

Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #68

Yep LeftInTX Thursday #210

Nader got Bush elected in 2000 LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #212

Nader is still an asshole who refuses to admit he elected Bush or that Stein elected trump LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #69

. mzmolly May 2 #70

Don't forget anyone who listens to garbage from Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, or their megachurch pastors. Initech May 2 #71

Those are Republican voters who wanted bigots and fascists to control the Supreme Court. betsuni May 2 #86

Well,.. That's a very negative attitude you have there..... magicarpet May 2 #85

I know, lapucelle... It's heart sickening 💔 Cha May 2 #89

People who want to blame voters, I wonder what your plan is for the next race? biocube May 2 #98

I live with right wingers Keepthesoulalive May 2 #112

Elections aren't convincing people who don't vote like you to vote like you. biocube May 2 #120

No Keepthesoulalive May 2 #122

I lived in a small towns most of my life biocube May 2 #126

This last election was weighted by influencers Keepthesoulalive Sunday #144

My plan is the same as it is every year: work hard to elect Democrats who can win. lapucelle May 2 #116

Nobody more classic New Deal liberal Democratic than Biden. No vote for him/Harris, New Deal not important. betsuni May 2 #129

" campaign like New Deal Democrats"? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #151

Well well well, this does seem to have ruffled some feathers here. flvegan May 2 #100

Bill Clinton used to say that hit dogs holler. lapucelle Sunday #158

Holding grudges is bad for you. BWdem4life May 2 #103

Interesting that you choose to focus on 2016 when the OP is about 2000, 2016, and 2024. lapucelle May 2 #117

Ok, good point BWdem4life May 2 #123

So your contention is that some folks on Democratic Underground don't vote for Democrats lapucelle Sunday #148

Is that what the OP is about? BWdem4life Sunday #155

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. lapucelle Sunday #174

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #184

Al Gore warned the same in 2000 DemocracyForever 17 hrs ago #223

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I agree with the op, B.See May 2 #105

Not to mention all the republicans who brought this about Redleg May 2 #109

This is specifically why we BEGGED people to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #110

In my best judge's voice, "I'll allow it..." Torchlight May 2 #113

Add Miriam Adelson and her dead husband that gave over $300 million to Trump to your list of bigots and fascists PufPuf23 May 2 #128

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You are back again! sheshe2 Sunday #132

lol.. "proud of voting" for a Liar. That Cha Sunday #133

Brava! sheshe2 Sunday #134

DU Thanks YOu! This is a Cha Sunday #136

You are very welcome. sheshe2 Sunday #137

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Right now... Hope22 Sunday #143

I'm going to put the blame where it belongs. Elected Republicans, the media and elected Democrats Autumn Sunday #149

Wondering if there is a hearty "FUCK YOU AWARD" for the ones Emile Sunday #150

So republicans? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #152

There should be. Autumn Sunday #154

They will get one from me, if they don't come to their senses pretty quickly. RandomNumbers Sunday #165

There should be! DemocracyForever 17 hrs ago #222

You are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and entitled non-voting protestors. lapucelle Sunday #153

A politicians job in the campaign is to listen to the voters, get out there and get those votes. Autumn Sunday #157

Folks are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and purity protest nonvoters, lapucelle Sunday #159

I have no power to exonerate anyone. Neither do you. No politician is owed a persons vote. Autumn Sunday #162

If a (somewhat) figurative use of a fairly common verb is too tricky, let me simplify. lapucelle Sunday #163

And when they lose the primary, get out there and get those votes for the NOMINEE RandomNumbers Sunday #166

Don't forget SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #160

Eddie Glaude is so embarrassed by his editorial that he got Time to remove his byline. lapucelle Sunday #168

He's been getting roasted the last few days SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #170

Ha! Didn't know that. betsuni Sunday #176

I either mute, fast forward or change channels with Glaude is on MS NOW for good reason LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #199

Sorry they were so brainwashed by LIES.. Cha Wednesday #206

Idiots who voted for third party candidates were voting to elect trump LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #209

Blame repubs not progressive. returnee Sunday #161

They are Not "progs"... They are 3rd party Cha Wednesday #200

You appear to claim the right to decide... returnee Wednesday #201

Get to know the Difference. nt Cha Wednesday #202

Try getting less pedantic and dogmatic... returnee Wednesday #203

3rd party RF LIE about Dems.. as in "Hillary & Traitor are Cha Wednesday #204

This aspect of politics... returnee Thursday #207

Nader lied and siphoned off enough dem votes DemocracyForever 17 hrs ago #225

Good old punching left when the right does horrible things. BlueTsunami2018 Sunday #178

They always know better...like Biden 2024 was so obviously the right call BeyondGeography Sunday #190

Not the "left".. 3rd Party RF. nt Cha Wednesday #205

Yeah, those are people on the left. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #208

If you have been involved with Democratic campaigns, you would know that their target groups are not LeftInTX Thursday #213

Democrats are constantly scolded to stop ignoring the white working class -- but now ignoring them is good? betsuni Thursday #215

Clinton warned us of possible Trump Supreme Court nominations LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #181

Americans are not thinkers Keepthesoulalive Sunday #182

K & R SunSeeker Tuesday #194

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Dang! I hate that I'm late to the latest episode of "People Loudly Ignoring How the Electoral College Works" Rob H. Thursday #214

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