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Fiendish Thingy

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230. Californian by birth, Canadian by choice

Sat May 9, 2026, 07:40 PM

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Bush v Gore is both the history and reality that supports my position that SCOTUS can indeed insert itself into election cases when a state is a party.

Looking forward to your list of cases where SCOTUS denied cert to an election related case because it was out of their jurisdiction.

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A hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who helped bigots and fascists capture the Supreme Court. [View all] lapucelle May 2 OP

That's pretty much Mitch McConnell -misanthroptimist May 2 #1

If Al Gore had won in 2000, there would be no Roberts Court, no Samuel Alito, no Citizens United, lapucelle May 2 #3

That's an assumption about Gore Polybius May 2 #24

Gore would have been a far better President compared to bush LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #67

If the Rehnquist 5 hadn't stopped the legal Florida 2000 vote count DemocracyForever Tuesday #196

How did he steal one from Biden? Polybius May 2 #22

Amy coney Barrett debsy May 2 #26

I see what you're saying Polybius May 2 #31

It's a steal due to McC's own standard set with Beer Bro -misanthroptimist May 2 #32

For clarity about McConnell's hypocrisy debsy May 2 #38

It was clearly hypocrisy--- since they blocked Obama's last SC nomination Jack Valentino Sunday #138

Even had they given Garland a vote, he still could have been voted down MichMan Sunday #167

as we will be under no obligation to give any Republican SC nominee a hearing or a vote, Jack Valentino Monday #191

Where did I say he wasn't due a vote; up or down? MichMan Monday #192

I'M SAYING IT !--- since McConnell made that the 'new norm'! Jack Valentino Tuesday #193

Exactly this debsy May 2 #23

NO.. It's all of them. nt Cha May 2 #91

I wouldn't count both of them, but clearly fair to count one karynnj May 2 #99

And let's not forget Newt Gingerich and his Contract on America... IthinkThereforeIAM Sunday #156

Does that include those who helped confirm Thomas, Alito and Roberts? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #2

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. I told you who is on my list. Feel free to make your own list and post an OP. lapucelle May 2 #4

But your list includes 2024 voters Fiendish Thingy May 2 #6

Read more carefully. Like I said, it doesn't work on me. lapucelle May 2 #8

Yes, but - read up on the "shadow docket" - it is NOT only about SC justice appointments RandomNumbers May 2 #9

Indeed, those recent leaks reveal Roberts as the architect of the Shadow Docket Fiendish Thingy May 2 #14

But the effect of this corrupt court is greatly amplified by the 2nd TSF admin RandomNumbers May 2 #15

The recent murder of the final pillar of the VRA would have happened regardless of who was the current president Fiendish Thingy May 2 #18

'Strange and inconsistent criteria'? Bobstandard May 2 #28

There's nothing "strange and inconsistent" about calling out the folks who help Republicans win. lapucelle May 2 #41

Agree totally. Bobstandard May 2 #43

Fighting for Democrats and standing up to, taking on, calling out those helping Republicans win betsuni May 2 #55

No Kidding! But apparently we'd be Cha May 2 #97

Roberts and Alito were appointed by G.W. Bush, and the OP mentions 2000 muriel_volestrangler Tuesday #195

Why not? SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #16

Unless one of the Liberals dies or retires, any new appointments won't matter. Fiendish Thingy May 2 #19

Every appointment matters SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #20

They will matter because Trump will appoint someone at least as bad, who will be there for the next 40 years. Crunchy Frog May 2 #34

It won't change the 6-3 make up of the court through 2028 Fiendish Thingy May 2 #42

That's short term thinking SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #47

I prefer to seek solutions Fiendish Thingy May 2 #56

Fine SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #60

Expansion is the most feasible option that exists Fiendish Thingy May 2 #62

It's still only one longshot option SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #63

It won't take 60 votes - that's where the courage requirement comes in Fiendish Thingy May 2 #65

Never claimed I had any SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #66

So, you agree then that expansion should be priority #1? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #75

The only thing I agree to SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #78

Enjoy your time in the quicksand of spleen venting. Fiendish Thingy May 2 #81

I prefer to seek realistic solutions SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #83

There is only one realistic solution Fiendish Thingy May 2 #90

Again, my point was always SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #92

It's been attempted. mzmolly May 2 #74

The court has been expanded and contracted numerous times throughout history Fiendish Thingy May 2 #76

We need congress, the senate and the White House. mzmolly May 2 #77

Enforcing article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever Tuesday #197

Enforcing Article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever 12 hrs ago #218

That's not going to happen without changing the constitution Fiendish Thingy 12 hrs ago #220

Wrong, Article 3 section 2 of the constitution DemocracyForever 12 hrs ago #221

Article III, sec 2, clause 2 Fiendish Thingy 11 hrs ago #224

Once again, you're wrong! DemocracyForever 11 hrs ago #227

History and Reality says otherwise Fiendish Thingy 10 hrs ago #228

History and reality are on my side DemocracyForever 9 hrs ago #229

Californian by birth, Canadian by choice Fiendish Thingy 7 hrs ago #230

You are assuming that the court will be expanded. Honest question - RandomNumbers May 2 #50

The mechanism is legislation passed through congress Fiendish Thingy May 2 #58

Do you have confidence that all the likely D primary winners RandomNumbers May 2 #59

It must be a concerted effort and a litmus test for 2026 and 2028 Fiendish Thingy May 2 #61

Litmus test? mzmolly May 2 #73

They have plenty of vulnerabilities that Dems can exploit during their campaigns Fiendish Thingy May 2 #79

I disagree on the litmus test. mzmolly May 2 #82

Failure to expand the court means the Trump era will continue for decades Fiendish Thingy May 2 #88

Again, we need all three branches mzmolly May 2 #102

Without court expansion, we surrender the judicial branch for a generation Fiendish Thingy May 2 #115

I understand the concern. mzmolly May 2 #119

Only two are close to retiring, and here is how I expect that will work: Fiendish Thingy May 2 #121

Two is better than none. mzmolly May 2 #125

Two what? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #127

I'm sorry you don't understand my point. mzmolly May 2 #130

Litmus test AKA SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #80

Exactly. We know what's coming, right? mzmolly May 2 #84

Yup SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #87

The court should be expanded mantra, mzmolly May 2 #72

And Barron would serve for 50 years mcar May 2 #96

If the court were expanded to 15 seats after Barron were appointed, I could live with that Fiendish Thingy May 2 #101

Anyone who refused to make way for a younger successor? BeyondGeography May 2 #5

Bernie Sanders is 84. Nixie May 2 #10

Lol BeyondGeography May 2 #11

LOL indeed. Nixie May 2 #13

I believe the Supreme Court is the topic under whathehell May 2 #33

That was also already answered. None of this Supreme Court Nixie May 2 #118

What was already answered? whathehell May 2 #124

Of course you don't. Ageism doesn't apply when you like Nixie Sunday #139

Your assumption is laughably off the mark. whathehell Sunday #171

There is actual history about my comment. It's obvious why you would not recognize it. Nixie Sunday #172

Sorry, but what 'history' are you referencing? whathehell Sunday #173

As I said, it's very obvious you are not going to get it. Nixie Sunday #175

Lol..No one else seems to be "getting it" either whathehell Sunday #186

Your version of "no one else " also doesn't get it. Nixie Sunday #187

..Is this really the best you can do? whathehell Sunday #188

I certainly believe you when you say you don't get it. Nixie Sunday #189

Exactly, Nixie... The Bottom Line. Cha Sunday #135

Hi Cha! It's so interesting to see how the selective ageism Nixie Sunday #140

Yeah, isn't it, though. Cha Sunday #142

Yes, I definitely remember all the scolds about the Supreme Court being a distraction from the *real* evil -- Nixie Sunday #145

Well Done, Nixie.. Cha Sunday #146

"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech, which you would want to share with the American betsuni Sunday #147

We were constantly scolded during the 2016 GE, Cha mcar Sunday #177

Dismissed as "identity politics." The white working class men who take showers at the end of the day revolution betsuni Sunday #180

And now voting rights and reproductive freedom are gone mcar Sunday #183

Creating dysfunction and blaming it on others. betsuni Sunday #185

And just last night... SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #17

Yes. I'm almost afraid to mention that on this forum. Crunchy Frog May 2 #37

"FUCK YOU," and you better vote for the Democratic nominee this time! Martin Eden May 2 #7

Ruth Ginsburg should have retired n/t leftstreet May 2 #12

We would still have the Roberts Court, Samuel Alito, Citizens United, and two out of the three Trump conservatives. lapucelle May 2 #21

Gore shouldn't have run with LIEberman leftstreet May 2 #25

Yep. progressoid May 2 #44

Gore Did Because JL Was First To Criticize Bill/Monica. ColoringFool May 2 #106

Lieberman increased crucial Jewish community votes DemocracyForever Friday #216

Oh, it is more than just her being "a liberal female justice" Behind the Aegis May 2 #93

Funny how it's Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fault and Al Gore's fault for picking Joe Lieberman. lapucelle May 2 #114

Time to stop blaming Gore for GOP election stealing DemocracyForever Friday #217

Hillary warned us LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #179

Damn right. Things wouldn't be perfect if Obama had chosen her replacement, but they'd be a hell of a lot better. Crunchy Frog May 2 #40

;-{) MISSING JUSTICE Goonch May 2 #27

Kick & Rec mcar May 2 #29

Remarkable that folks blame Al Gore and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, lapucelle May 2 #39

Feebly blaming Democrats, smirking "we could do this all day." Why? What's the point? Hating Democrats? betsuni May 2 #57

If you dig deeper, I am sure you could find a "coincidence". Behind the Aegis May 2 #94

It never changes. Always someone else to hold responsible mcar May 2 #95

They' were not paying attention to Cha May 2 #108

That's the way to pull in votes - TBF May 2 #30

Third party voters and folks for whom Democrats are never good enough lapucelle May 2 #36

They are a majority now. How do we win without them? progressoid May 2 #45

Third party voters and *protest* nonvoters are not the majority of voters. N/T lapucelle May 2 #46

And yet, they often decide elections which has consequences progressoid May 2 #51

You're conflating third party voters and purity-protest nonvoters with politically independent voters. lapucelle May 2 #53

Exactly. TY for explaining that. nt Cha May 2 #111

Nader and Stein helped create Trump DemocracyForever 12 hrs ago #219

Too many praised and pandered to them. LeftInTX Thursday #211

Too many naval-gazers don't understand (or don't care) how our political process actually works dlk May 2 #35

Where is Ralph Nader these days? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2 #48

92 And Still A Gadfly: ColoringFool May 2 #107

We could have packed that damn court between 2020 and 2022 if Democrats had been bold risk takers instead of lees1975 May 2 #49

"Aukshully, I blame Al Gore, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Democrats in general". lapucelle May 2 #52

The inability to recognize and hopefully fix failures in our party are most often led by those blaming Melon Sunday #141

Perhaps it sounds like "the voters who don't vote" but the people being blamed are, in fact, the ASSHOLES RandomNumbers Sunday #164

Let me add another hearty one. betsuni May 2 #54

I could not agree more!! aeromanKC May 2 #64

Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #68

Yep LeftInTX Thursday #210

Nader got Bush elected in 2000 LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #212

Nader is still an asshole who refuses to admit he elected Bush or that Stein elected trump LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #69

. mzmolly May 2 #70

Don't forget anyone who listens to garbage from Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, or their megachurch pastors. Initech May 2 #71

Those are Republican voters who wanted bigots and fascists to control the Supreme Court. betsuni May 2 #86

Well,.. That's a very negative attitude you have there..... magicarpet May 2 #85

I know, lapucelle... It's heart sickening 💔 Cha May 2 #89

People who want to blame voters, I wonder what your plan is for the next race? biocube May 2 #98

I live with right wingers Keepthesoulalive May 2 #112

Elections aren't convincing people who don't vote like you to vote like you. biocube May 2 #120

No Keepthesoulalive May 2 #122

I lived in a small towns most of my life biocube May 2 #126

This last election was weighted by influencers Keepthesoulalive Sunday #144

My plan is the same as it is every year: work hard to elect Democrats who can win. lapucelle May 2 #116

Nobody more classic New Deal liberal Democratic than Biden. No vote for him/Harris, New Deal not important. betsuni May 2 #129

" campaign like New Deal Democrats"? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #151

Well well well, this does seem to have ruffled some feathers here. flvegan May 2 #100

Bill Clinton used to say that hit dogs holler. lapucelle Sunday #158

Holding grudges is bad for you. BWdem4life May 2 #103

Interesting that you choose to focus on 2016 when the OP is about 2000, 2016, and 2024. lapucelle May 2 #117

Ok, good point BWdem4life May 2 #123

So your contention is that some folks on Democratic Underground don't vote for Democrats lapucelle Sunday #148

Is that what the OP is about? BWdem4life Sunday #155

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. lapucelle Sunday #174

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #184

Al Gore warned the same in 2000 DemocracyForever 11 hrs ago #223

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I agree with the op, B.See May 2 #105

Not to mention all the republicans who brought this about Redleg May 2 #109

This is specifically why we BEGGED people to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #110

In my best judge's voice, "I'll allow it..." Torchlight May 2 #113

Add Miriam Adelson and her dead husband that gave over $300 million to Trump to your list of bigots and fascists PufPuf23 May 2 #128

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You are back again! sheshe2 Sunday #132

lol.. "proud of voting" for a Liar. That Cha Sunday #133

Brava! sheshe2 Sunday #134

DU Thanks YOu! This is a Cha Sunday #136

You are very welcome. sheshe2 Sunday #137

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Right now... Hope22 Sunday #143

I'm going to put the blame where it belongs. Elected Republicans, the media and elected Democrats Autumn Sunday #149

Wondering if there is a hearty "FUCK YOU AWARD" for the ones Emile Sunday #150

So republicans? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #152

There should be. Autumn Sunday #154

They will get one from me, if they don't come to their senses pretty quickly. RandomNumbers Sunday #165

There should be! DemocracyForever 11 hrs ago #222

You are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and entitled non-voting protestors. lapucelle Sunday #153

A politicians job in the campaign is to listen to the voters, get out there and get those votes. Autumn Sunday #157

Folks are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and purity protest nonvoters, lapucelle Sunday #159

I have no power to exonerate anyone. Neither do you. No politician is owed a persons vote. Autumn Sunday #162

If a (somewhat) figurative use of a fairly common verb is too tricky, let me simplify. lapucelle Sunday #163

And when they lose the primary, get out there and get those votes for the NOMINEE RandomNumbers Sunday #166

Don't forget SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #160

Eddie Glaude is so embarrassed by his editorial that he got Time to remove his byline. lapucelle Sunday #168

He's been getting roasted the last few days SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #170

Ha! Didn't know that. betsuni Sunday #176

I either mute, fast forward or change channels with Glaude is on MS NOW for good reason LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #199

Sorry they were so brainwashed by LIES.. Cha Wednesday #206

Idiots who voted for third party candidates were voting to elect trump LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #209

Blame repubs not progressive. returnee Sunday #161

They are Not "progs"... They are 3rd party Cha Wednesday #200

You appear to claim the right to decide... returnee Wednesday #201

Get to know the Difference. nt Cha Wednesday #202

Try getting less pedantic and dogmatic... returnee Wednesday #203

3rd party RF LIE about Dems.. as in "Hillary & Traitor are Cha Wednesday #204

This aspect of politics... returnee Thursday #207

Nader lied and siphoned off enough dem votes DemocracyForever 11 hrs ago #225

Good old punching left when the right does horrible things. BlueTsunami2018 Sunday #178

They always know better...like Biden 2024 was so obviously the right call BeyondGeography Sunday #190

Not the "left".. 3rd Party RF. nt Cha Wednesday #205

Yeah, those are people on the left. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #208

If you have been involved with Democratic campaigns, you would know that their target groups are not LeftInTX Thursday #213

Democrats are constantly scolded to stop ignoring the white working class -- but now ignoring them is good? betsuni Thursday #215

Clinton warned us of possible Trump Supreme Court nominations LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #181

Americans are not thinkers Keepthesoulalive Sunday #182

K & R SunSeeker Tuesday #194

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Dang! I hate that I'm late to the latest episode of "People Loudly Ignoring How the Electoral College Works" Rob H. Thursday #214

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