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mopinko

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5. it's a hard conversation to have.
Sun May 10, 2026, 12:08 PM
Yesterday

i wish ppl wd stop singling out aipac. yes, they have worked against progressive candidates for yrs. yes, they have also helped idiot thugs get elected. and yes, they have used shady tactics.
but they r small potatoes compared to the epstein class. and the vast majority of the aid we send to israel comes rt back to us in defense jobs. making them the boogie man is hurting us w many jews who have been reliable dem voters forever.
and we rly, rly have to talk loudly about the rise of antisemitism. ordinary jews, here and esp in the uk, r being attacked and murdered. if it were ordinary americans being murdered in other countries over the actions of tsf, we’d find the words to condemn it.

we rly need to stop shrinking at the accusation of ‘islamophobia’. the true record of islamocists taking over the middle east and often slaughtering ppl of other religions is long and bloody. we shd b calling it out ourselves, or we leave the field open for the evangelicals. jews used to inhabit most of the middle east, but they have been driven out of country after country there. THAT is y israel is soooo important.

it wouldnt hurt to lay out the real history of palestine, which was never a country. and the absolute graft of every palestinian leader from arafat on. many of the leaders of hamas, and their families, r living the high life in qatar and elsewhere on aid money meant for their ppl. THAT is y ppl r starving in gaza.
they cd have had a paradise on the mediterranean, instead they have tunnels and weapons and fat soldiers. tunnels, btw, that they dont allow civilians to shelter in when the bombs fall. food that is not shared w civilians.

maybe we’re beyond the point where we can have nuanced conversations. but we best figure it out.
this is the shit u get when politics becomes soundbites.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man Saturday OP
Individually Saoirse9 Yesterday #1
A number of things. H2O Man Yesterday #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni Yesterday #2
Okay. H2O Man Yesterday #7
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden Yesterday #3
Very good! H2O Man Yesterday #8
One Word Martin Eden Yesterday #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko Yesterday #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera Yesterday #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man 1 hr ago #11
Good OP malaise 23 hrs ago #10
Thank you! H2O Man 1 hr ago #12
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