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H2O Man

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22. Gracious!
Tue May 12, 2026, 11:48 AM
4 hrs ago

"How's that supposed to work out, advocating against your own party leaders as a strategy to gain support of voters?"

I'm pretty sure that is an exact quote from your first comment. Tell me if I'm wrong, and if that is something that I just made up out of thin air. I could have sworn that those were your own words. Perhaps you are correct, that one should never, ever, under any circumstance talk about wanting a change in leadership within our own party -- especially if every single person who advocates change is doing the devil's work.

And perhaps I was not clear: I am not interested in if Senator Schumer has expressed concern about Netanyahu in strongly worded messages. I have no problem believing that he has. But you would have a problem identifying a single action that he has taken when it comes to providing the weapons that he uses to kill innocent people in the Gaza genocide, the attack on Lebanon, the war in Iran, or to stop the violent theft of lands in the West Bank.

"I think we'd do more good accurately representing the party and our elected officials, who have always acted and communicated responsibly about our Mideast ally."

Again, I am quite sure that this is an exact quote from you. I could be wrong, but of course I am not. That is an extremely weak statement, that one that you had just made up there ..... unless it is just something you heard someone else say, and you didn't think for your self. You might notice that even now, there are differences of opinion within "the party and our elected officials" regarding Netanyahu and American policy towards Israel and other nations in that region.

Those differences were found here on this forum back in 2006, when former president Jimmy Carter published his most important book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid." Different forum members had very different responses to that book. Perhaps you would be so kind as to inform us of which side was "accurately representing the party" -- those who agreed with Jimmy Carter, or those who disagreed with him?

" 'I accept that in your mind, speaking the truth about one of those party leaders is wrong.'

"You made that up, and it's not okay."

Finally, I rarely respond to borderline meows. But because you are a good man, I'll point out your error. In my mind, as a direct result of not only your original post here, but from years of reading and enjoying your contributions, I have come to understand that speaking about anything someone -- we can accurately narrow that down to Democrats -- points out is wrong with "leadership," you tend to spontaneously react by identifying it as anti-party, the work of our enemies. That has been a feature of your contributions here for exactly as long as I have known you here. And that's okay, it is simply who you are, and like I have always said, you are a good man and a loyal Democrat. It's just that high among our differences is our opinions on what "loyalty" demands.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man Saturday OP
Individually Saoirse9 Sunday #1
A number of things. H2O Man Sunday #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni Sunday #2
Okay. H2O Man Sunday #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree 4 hrs ago #24
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden Sunday #3
Very good! H2O Man Sunday #8
One Word Martin Eden Sunday #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko Sunday #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera Sunday #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man Yesterday #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko 22 hrs ago #13
Thank you! H2O Man 21 hrs ago #15
Good OP malaise Sunday #10
Thank you! H2O Man Yesterday #12
interesting bigtree 22 hrs ago #14
Interesting. H2O Man 21 hrs ago #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree 19 hrs ago #17
Very good. H2O Man 17 hrs ago #18
this is false bigtree 5 hrs ago #21
Gracious! H2O Man 4 hrs ago #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree 4 hrs ago #23
Sure it does. H2O Man 4 hrs ago #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree 1 hr ago #27
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera 17 hrs ago #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree 6 hrs ago #20
I am reminded H2O Man 3 hrs ago #26
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