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DemocracyForever

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240. Your words speak for themselves

Wed May 13, 2026, 04:48 PM

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Unlike you, I've worked on every dem Presidential campaign from Carter 1980 through to Gore 2000. I've worked on dem U.S. Senate campaigns, dem U.S. House campaigns, dem Governors campaigns and dem state legislative campaigns all in battleground states like Florida. I did much more than walk precincts in 1 Presidential campaign like you. Your level of actual campaign experience pales in comparison to my level of campaign experience and it shows with your every post. You're very mistaken if you think your level of election campaign experience is the same as mine. That couldn't be further from the truth. You've been given the actual language that's in the U.S. constitution, you've been given examples of previous disputed U.S. Presidential elections that the SCOTUS never intervened in and you still can't face the reality that what the GOP controlled SCOTUS did in 2000 to thwart the will of the people and install Bush was blatantly anti-democracy and unconstitutional. Your refusal to face this reality speaks volumes and is all I need to know about you.
FYI, expansion of the SCOTUS will not solve the issue because the GOP will just undo it the next time they get control of the federal government. You're the one who is ill-informed and has no understanding of the law or the history of U.S. Presidential elections.
I suggest you read the book, "The Shadow Docket" by law professor Stephen Vladeck. Congress's failure to regulate the SCOTUS is one of the important issues Vladeck raises in this book.

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A hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who helped bigots and fascists capture the Supreme Court. [View all] lapucelle May 2 OP

That's pretty much Mitch McConnell -misanthroptimist May 2 #1

If Al Gore had won in 2000, there would be no Roberts Court, no Samuel Alito, no Citizens United, lapucelle May 2 #3

That's an assumption about Gore Polybius May 2 #24

Gore would have been a far better President compared to bush LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #67

If the Rehnquist 5 hadn't stopped the legal Florida 2000 vote count DemocracyForever May 5 #196

How did he steal one from Biden? Polybius May 2 #22

Amy coney Barrett debsy May 2 #26

I see what you're saying Polybius May 2 #31

It's a steal due to McC's own standard set with Beer Bro -misanthroptimist May 2 #32

For clarity about McConnell's hypocrisy debsy May 2 #38

It was clearly hypocrisy--- since they blocked Obama's last SC nomination Jack Valentino May 3 #138

Even had they given Garland a vote, he still could have been voted down MichMan May 3 #167

as we will be under no obligation to give any Republican SC nominee a hearing or a vote, Jack Valentino May 4 #191

Where did I say he wasn't due a vote; up or down? MichMan May 4 #192

I'M SAYING IT !--- since McConnell made that the 'new norm'! Jack Valentino May 5 #193

Exactly this debsy May 2 #23

NO.. It's all of them. nt Cha May 2 #91

I wouldn't count both of them, but clearly fair to count one karynnj May 2 #99

And let's not forget Newt Gingerich and his Contract on America... IthinkThereforeIAM May 3 #156

Does that include those who helped confirm Thomas, Alito and Roberts? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #2

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. I told you who is on my list. Feel free to make your own list and post an OP. lapucelle May 2 #4

But your list includes 2024 voters Fiendish Thingy May 2 #6

Read more carefully. Like I said, it doesn't work on me. lapucelle May 2 #8

Yes, but - read up on the "shadow docket" - it is NOT only about SC justice appointments RandomNumbers May 2 #9

Indeed, those recent leaks reveal Roberts as the architect of the Shadow Docket Fiendish Thingy May 2 #14

But the effect of this corrupt court is greatly amplified by the 2nd TSF admin RandomNumbers May 2 #15

The recent murder of the final pillar of the VRA would have happened regardless of who was the current president Fiendish Thingy May 2 #18

'Strange and inconsistent criteria'? Bobstandard May 2 #28

There's nothing "strange and inconsistent" about calling out the folks who help Republicans win. lapucelle May 2 #41

Agree totally. Bobstandard May 2 #43

Fighting for Democrats and standing up to, taking on, calling out those helping Republicans win betsuni May 2 #55

No Kidding! But apparently we'd be Cha May 2 #97

Roberts and Alito were appointed by G.W. Bush, and the OP mentions 2000 muriel_volestrangler May 5 #195

Why not? SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #16

Unless one of the Liberals dies or retires, any new appointments won't matter. Fiendish Thingy May 2 #19

Every appointment matters SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #20

They will matter because Trump will appoint someone at least as bad, who will be there for the next 40 years. Crunchy Frog May 2 #34

It won't change the 6-3 make up of the court through 2028 Fiendish Thingy May 2 #42

That's short term thinking SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #47

I prefer to seek solutions Fiendish Thingy May 2 #56

Fine SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #60

Expansion is the most feasible option that exists Fiendish Thingy May 2 #62

It's still only one longshot option SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #63

It won't take 60 votes - that's where the courage requirement comes in Fiendish Thingy May 2 #65

Never claimed I had any SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #66

So, you agree then that expansion should be priority #1? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #75

The only thing I agree to SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #78

Enjoy your time in the quicksand of spleen venting. Fiendish Thingy May 2 #81

I prefer to seek realistic solutions SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #83

There is only one realistic solution Fiendish Thingy May 2 #90

Again, my point was always SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #92

It's been attempted. mzmolly May 2 #74

The court has been expanded and contracted numerous times throughout history Fiendish Thingy May 2 #76

We need congress, the senate and the White House. mzmolly May 2 #77

Enforcing article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever May 5 #197

Enforcing Article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever Saturday #218

That's not going to happen without changing the constitution Fiendish Thingy Saturday #220

Wrong, Article 3 section 2 of the constitution DemocracyForever Saturday #221

Article III, sec 2, clause 2 Fiendish Thingy Saturday #224

Once again, you're wrong! DemocracyForever Saturday #227

History and Reality says otherwise Fiendish Thingy Saturday #228

History and reality are on my side DemocracyForever Saturday #229

Californian by birth, Canadian by choice Fiendish Thingy Saturday #230

No the SCOTUS can't! DemocracyForever Monday #232

We weren't talking about state authority to run elections Fiendish Thingy Monday #233

You are completely wrong DemocracyForever Monday #234

Why do you keep moving the goalposts? Fiendish Thingy Monday #235

It's called the actual facts DemocracyForever Yesterday #236

I walked precincts for Mondale Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #237

You're defending the anti-democracy GOP SCOTUS DemocracyForever 11 hrs ago #238

You misunderstand and misconstrue my words Fiendish Thingy 9 hrs ago #239

Your words speak for themselves DemocracyForever 7 hrs ago #240

You are assuming that the court will be expanded. Honest question - RandomNumbers May 2 #50

The mechanism is legislation passed through congress Fiendish Thingy May 2 #58

Do you have confidence that all the likely D primary winners RandomNumbers May 2 #59

It must be a concerted effort and a litmus test for 2026 and 2028 Fiendish Thingy May 2 #61

Litmus test? mzmolly May 2 #73

They have plenty of vulnerabilities that Dems can exploit during their campaigns Fiendish Thingy May 2 #79

I disagree on the litmus test. mzmolly May 2 #82

Failure to expand the court means the Trump era will continue for decades Fiendish Thingy May 2 #88

Again, we need all three branches mzmolly May 2 #102

Without court expansion, we surrender the judicial branch for a generation Fiendish Thingy May 2 #115

I understand the concern. mzmolly May 2 #119

Only two are close to retiring, and here is how I expect that will work: Fiendish Thingy May 2 #121

Two is better than none. mzmolly May 2 #125

Two what? Fiendish Thingy May 2 #127

I'm sorry you don't understand my point. mzmolly May 2 #130

Litmus test AKA SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #80

Exactly. We know what's coming, right? mzmolly May 2 #84

Yup SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #87

The court should be expanded mantra, mzmolly May 2 #72

And Barron would serve for 50 years mcar May 2 #96

If the court were expanded to 15 seats after Barron were appointed, I could live with that Fiendish Thingy May 2 #101

Anyone who refused to make way for a younger successor? BeyondGeography May 2 #5

Bernie Sanders is 84. Nixie May 2 #10

Lol BeyondGeography May 2 #11

LOL indeed. Nixie May 2 #13

I believe the Supreme Court is the topic under whathehell May 2 #33

That was also already answered. None of this Supreme Court Nixie May 2 #118

What was already answered? whathehell May 2 #124

Of course you don't. Ageism doesn't apply when you like Nixie May 3 #139

Your assumption is laughably off the mark. whathehell May 3 #171

There is actual history about my comment. It's obvious why you would not recognize it. Nixie May 3 #172

Sorry, but what 'history' are you referencing? whathehell May 3 #173

As I said, it's very obvious you are not going to get it. Nixie May 3 #175

Lol..No one else seems to be "getting it" either whathehell May 3 #186

Your version of "no one else " also doesn't get it. Nixie May 3 #187

..Is this really the best you can do? whathehell May 3 #188

I certainly believe you when you say you don't get it. Nixie May 3 #189

Exactly, Nixie... The Bottom Line. Cha May 3 #135

Hi Cha! It's so interesting to see how the selective ageism Nixie May 3 #140

Yeah, isn't it, though. Cha May 3 #142

Yes, I definitely remember all the scolds about the Supreme Court being a distraction from the *real* evil -- Nixie May 3 #145

Well Done, Nixie.. Cha May 3 #146

"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech, which you would want to share with the American betsuni May 3 #147

We were constantly scolded during the 2016 GE, Cha mcar May 3 #177

Dismissed as "identity politics." The white working class men who take showers at the end of the day revolution betsuni May 3 #180

And now voting rights and reproductive freedom are gone mcar May 3 #183

Creating dysfunction and blaming it on others. betsuni May 3 #185

And just last night... SocialDemocrat61 May 2 #17

Yes. I'm almost afraid to mention that on this forum. Crunchy Frog May 2 #37

"FUCK YOU," and you better vote for the Democratic nominee this time! Martin Eden May 2 #7

Ruth Ginsburg should have retired n/t leftstreet May 2 #12

We would still have the Roberts Court, Samuel Alito, Citizens United, and two out of the three Trump conservatives. lapucelle May 2 #21

Gore shouldn't have run with LIEberman leftstreet May 2 #25

Yep. progressoid May 2 #44

Gore Did Because JL Was First To Criticize Bill/Monica. ColoringFool May 2 #106

Lieberman increased crucial Jewish community votes DemocracyForever Friday #216

Oh, it is more than just her being "a liberal female justice" Behind the Aegis May 2 #93

Funny how it's Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fault and Al Gore's fault for picking Joe Lieberman. lapucelle May 2 #114

Time to stop blaming Gore for GOP election stealing DemocracyForever Friday #217

Hillary warned us LetMyPeopleVote May 3 #179

Damn right. Things wouldn't be perfect if Obama had chosen her replacement, but they'd be a hell of a lot better. Crunchy Frog May 2 #40

;-{) MISSING JUSTICE Goonch May 2 #27

Kick & Rec mcar May 2 #29

Remarkable that folks blame Al Gore and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, lapucelle May 2 #39

Feebly blaming Democrats, smirking "we could do this all day." Why? What's the point? Hating Democrats? betsuni May 2 #57

If you dig deeper, I am sure you could find a "coincidence". Behind the Aegis May 2 #94

It never changes. Always someone else to hold responsible mcar May 2 #95

They' were not paying attention to Cha May 2 #108

That's the way to pull in votes - TBF May 2 #30

Third party voters and folks for whom Democrats are never good enough lapucelle May 2 #36

They are a majority now. How do we win without them? progressoid May 2 #45

Third party voters and *protest* nonvoters are not the majority of voters. N/T lapucelle May 2 #46

And yet, they often decide elections which has consequences progressoid May 2 #51

You're conflating third party voters and purity-protest nonvoters with politically independent voters. lapucelle May 2 #53

Exactly. TY for explaining that. nt Cha May 2 #111

Nader and Stein helped create Trump DemocracyForever Saturday #219

Too many praised and pandered to them. LeftInTX Thursday #211

Too many naval-gazers don't understand (or don't care) how our political process actually works dlk May 2 #35

Where is Ralph Nader these days? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2 #48

92 And Still A Gadfly: ColoringFool May 2 #107

We could have packed that damn court between 2020 and 2022 if Democrats had been bold risk takers instead of lees1975 May 2 #49

"Aukshully, I blame Al Gore, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Democrats in general". lapucelle May 2 #52

The inability to recognize and hopefully fix failures in our party are most often led by those blaming Melon May 3 #141

Perhaps it sounds like "the voters who don't vote" but the people being blamed are, in fact, the ASSHOLES RandomNumbers May 3 #164

Let me add another hearty one. betsuni May 2 #54

I could not agree more!! aeromanKC May 2 #64

Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #68

Yep LeftInTX Thursday #210

Nader got Bush elected in 2000 LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #212

Nader is still an asshole who refuses to admit he elected Bush or that Stein elected trump LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #69

I was a fan but his 2000 run turned me away electric_blue68 5 hrs ago #242

. mzmolly May 2 #70

Don't forget anyone who listens to garbage from Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, or their megachurch pastors. Initech May 2 #71

Those are Republican voters who wanted bigots and fascists to control the Supreme Court. betsuni May 2 #86

Well,.. That's a very negative attitude you have there..... magicarpet May 2 #85

I know, lapucelle... It's heart sickening 💔 Cha May 2 #89

People who want to blame voters, I wonder what your plan is for the next race? biocube May 2 #98

I live with right wingers Keepthesoulalive May 2 #112

Elections aren't convincing people who don't vote like you to vote like you. biocube May 2 #120

No Keepthesoulalive May 2 #122

I lived in a small towns most of my life biocube May 2 #126

This last election was weighted by influencers Keepthesoulalive May 3 #144

My plan is the same as it is every year: work hard to elect Democrats who can win. lapucelle May 2 #116

Nobody more classic New Deal liberal Democratic than Biden. No vote for him/Harris, New Deal not important. betsuni May 2 #129

" campaign like New Deal Democrats"? SocialDemocrat61 May 3 #151

Well well well, this does seem to have ruffled some feathers here. flvegan May 2 #100

Bill Clinton used to say that hit dogs holler. lapucelle May 3 #158

Holding grudges is bad for you. BWdem4life May 2 #103

Interesting that you choose to focus on 2016 when the OP is about 2000, 2016, and 2024. lapucelle May 2 #117

Ok, good point BWdem4life May 2 #123

So your contention is that some folks on Democratic Underground don't vote for Democrats lapucelle May 3 #148

Is that what the OP is about? BWdem4life May 3 #155

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. lapucelle May 3 #174

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote May 3 #184

Al Gore warned the same in 2000 DemocracyForever Saturday #223

Post removed Post removed May 2 #104

I agree with the op, B.See May 2 #105

Not to mention all the republicans who brought this about Redleg May 2 #109

This is specifically why we BEGGED people to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. LetMyPeopleVote May 2 #110

In my best judge's voice, "I'll allow it..." Torchlight May 2 #113

Add Miriam Adelson and her dead husband that gave over $300 million to Trump to your list of bigots and fascists PufPuf23 May 2 #128

Post removed Post removed May 3 #131

You are back again! sheshe2 May 3 #132

lol.. "proud of voting" for a Liar. That Cha May 3 #133

Brava! sheshe2 May 3 #134

DU Thanks YOu! This is a Cha May 3 #136

You are very welcome. sheshe2 May 3 #137

Post removed Post removed May 3 #169

Right now... Hope22 May 3 #143

I'm going to put the blame where it belongs. Elected Republicans, the media and elected Democrats Autumn May 3 #149

Wondering if there is a hearty "FUCK YOU AWARD" for the ones Emile May 3 #150

So republicans? SocialDemocrat61 May 3 #152

There should be. Autumn May 3 #154

They will get one from me, if they don't come to their senses pretty quickly. RandomNumbers May 3 #165

There should be! DemocracyForever Saturday #222

You are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and entitled non-voting protestors. lapucelle May 3 #153

A politicians job in the campaign is to listen to the voters, get out there and get those votes. Autumn May 3 #157

Folks are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and purity protest nonvoters, lapucelle May 3 #159

I have no power to exonerate anyone. Neither do you. No politician is owed a persons vote. Autumn May 3 #162

If a (somewhat) figurative use of a fairly common verb is too tricky, let me simplify. lapucelle May 3 #163

And when they lose the primary, get out there and get those votes for the NOMINEE RandomNumbers May 3 #166

Don't forget SocialDemocrat61 May 3 #160

Eddie Glaude is so embarrassed by his editorial that he got Time to remove his byline. lapucelle May 3 #168

He's been getting roasted the last few days SocialDemocrat61 May 3 #170

Ha! Didn't know that. betsuni May 3 #176

I either mute, fast forward or change channels with Glaude is on MS NOW for good reason LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #199

Sorry they were so brainwashed by LIES.. Cha Wednesday #206

Idiots who voted for third party candidates were voting to elect trump LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #209

Blame repubs not progressive. returnee May 3 #161

They are Not "progs"... They are 3rd party Cha Wednesday #200

You appear to claim the right to decide... returnee Wednesday #201

Get to know the Difference. nt Cha Wednesday #202

Try getting less pedantic and dogmatic... returnee Wednesday #203

3rd party RF LIE about Dems.. as in "Hillary & Traitor are Cha Wednesday #204

This aspect of politics... returnee Thursday #207

Nader lied and siphoned off enough dem votes DemocracyForever Saturday #225

Good old punching left when the right does horrible things. BlueTsunami2018 May 3 #178

They always know better...like Biden 2024 was so obviously the right call BeyondGeography May 3 #190

Not the "left".. 3rd Party RF. nt Cha Wednesday #205

Yeah, those are people on the left. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #208

If you have been involved with Democratic campaigns, you would know that their target groups are not LeftInTX Thursday #213

Democrats are constantly scolded to stop ignoring the white working class -- but now ignoring them is good? betsuni Thursday #215

Clinton warned us of possible Trump Supreme Court nominations LetMyPeopleVote May 3 #181

Americans are not thinkers Keepthesoulalive May 3 #182

K & R SunSeeker May 5 #194

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Dang! I hate that I'm late to the latest episode of "People Loudly Ignoring How the Electoral College Works" Rob H. Thursday #214

No one is ignoring how the electoral college works, and calling out the folks who helped to get us here lapucelle Sunday #231

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And if either Kennedy had not been shot in the '60's. ..... A HERETIC I AM 6 hrs ago #241