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DFW

(60,840 posts)
42. Umm, no thanks
Sat Jun 13, 2026, 10:08 AM
Jun 13

We live in Europe, a control-freak society.

The governments here want to know EVERYTHING that every private citizen does. The best way to do that is with a cashless society and everyone having cards. When Cyprus found itself in a budget crunch, it just electronically went into the bank account of everyone in the country and took 10% of every amount over €100,000. *poof* money gone.

I live in a country where the Nazis controlled everything 90 years ago, and just a few hundred KM to the East, so did Stalin (or, at least he tried). Even a couple of years ago, we were in a small town in Massachusetts in a small local grocery store when their electronic payment system broke down. They announced that they could only take cash until the system had been repaired. A young mother burst into tears because she was there to buy a $5 package of baby formula for her infant, and had only a card. My wife took pity on her, and fronted her the $5 in cash. She wanted to actually get our address to return the money. Sending $5 to Germany? Even if she sent a $5 bill in the mail, it would have cost her $1.25 in postage. My wife told her to forget it, and repay her by never forgetting to bring cash anywhere.

No government has any business knowing what food we buy, or where--or what shows or movies we see or when. They have no business knowing what books we buy, or what music we listen to. The socialist governments of Eastern Europe were like that in the mid 20th century, and their secret police collapsed under the very weight of the information they had collected on their own citizens. East Germans were astonished when they got to see the files the Stasi had kept on them. My wife and I use cash wherever and whenever we can. My wife's parents and relatives lived under the National Socialists. Some friends of our lived under their successors, the SED and their Stasi. National Socialists, Soviet Socialists, Unity Socialists, the label didn't matter. Their actions did. It was enough. No, thanks. Control freaks do not belong at the controls of any government. Let the people earn their cash and spend it as they see fit without some misfit in a uniform (or a computer screen) recording every cent and every date.

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Trump's tariffs and gas and general price rizes have applegrove Jun 12 #1
It's mostly our tax money anyway Blue Full Moon Jun 12 #2
This is a system that just developed through the last 1200 years bucolic_frolic Jun 12 #3
If he had more than 2 billion in liquidity, I'd be surprised. haele Jun 12 #4
Slightly Different Spin Here ProfessorGAC Jun 12 #6
"..the markets would panic..." a very few people now having the financial gravitational pull of a black hole. harumph Jun 12 #10
Like 1998. Like 2007. Like..... paleotn Jun 12 #32
But he can take out obscene and sweetheart deal loans Aviation Pro Jun 12 #18
Torch all the cash. Everyone's. All of it. OC375 Jun 12 #5
You're saying exactly what I was talking about when 911 hit. slightlv Jun 12 #20
Umm, no thanks DFW Jun 13 #42
Cash was a poor word choice on my part. OC375 Jun 13 #52
I like this particular aspect of the Space X offering. Frasier Balzov Jun 12 #7
Are the employees allowed to cash in their windfall or is it just on paper??? nt in2herbs Jun 12 #9
Rolling tranches over six months can be resold. Frasier Balzov Jun 12 #14
Interesting proposition. Too bad we can't do national level grass roots ballot initiatives. dutch777 Jun 12 #8
You can, but they are extremely cumbersome to bring to reality DFW Jun 13 #40
$100 billion??? PatSeg Jun 12 #11
To have all that money, and not distribute it to ease pain and suffering Grim Chieftain Jun 12 #12
One time in my life I worked for DoD as a contract worker slightlv Jun 12 #21
I know what you mean DFW Jun 13 #41
When governments and individuals are valued in the mega dollars . . . Aussie105 Jun 12 #13
I still think a tactic of the poor (99%) vs the rich (1%) KS Toronado Jun 12 #15
Those that invested in this IPO are the ones who are likely to lose. Bev54 Jun 12 #16
It would be a serious boost to the economy bc poor people would spend it on necessities ms liberty Jun 12 #17
Death to trillionaires. N/T Coventina Jun 12 #19
lol, I'm limping along on caretaker money for a clinic MerryBlooms Jun 12 #22
Sorry, been a really rough week MerryBlooms Jun 12 #24
Vent away! You deserve to. So do the rest of us. paleotn Jun 12 #29
It's not liquid. QueerDuck Jun 12 #23
I'm sure that Musk pays a high tax rate on that $54K annual salary that he collects at SpaceX. OGBuzz Jun 12 #25
Their GDP is real. His is paper. A figment of imaginations he can't tap without crashing it. Big difference. paleotn Jun 12 #28
Tesla trades 45-60 million shares daily. He can tap as much as he needs without crashing anything. There will be similar OGBuzz Jun 12 #31
45 to 60 million in relatively small blocks. That's not the same thing. paleotn Jun 12 #33
I'm pretty sure Elon has dozens, if not hundreds of brokers on the payroll. He doesn't have to go large on one trade. OGBuzz Jun 12 #37
Irrelevant. The increase in daily activity will raise questions. paleotn Jun 13 #39
Daily trade volumes range from 45 million to 60 million. Those are some swings indeed and nobody is OGBuzz Jun 13 #43
Straw man much? paleotn Jun 13 #44
As stated above, it's not real. paleotn Jun 12 #26
Giving the money to everyone won't solve many people's problems LogDog75 Jun 12 #27
"Corporations are people, my friend" (M.Romney) Seinan Sensei Jun 12 #35
Good ideas, LogDog75! calimary Jun 13 #53
I think we kind of saw this already JBTaurus83 Jun 12 #30
Maybe then we could afford a Universal Healthcare program. Emile Jun 12 #34
It's always funny when people say this... WarGamer Jun 12 #36
Yep Manatee Jun 13 #45
That's insulting, to read you think 98% of Americans are idiots questionseverything Jun 13 #47
then you live around the smart 2%'ers WarGamer Jun 13 #48
Your 2% assertion is a lie, you are wrong and you obviously know nothing about poor and working class Americans questionseverything Jun 13 #49
lol... ok WarGamer Jun 13 #54
This is correct Easterncedar Jun 13 #57
On the contrary Easterncedar Jun 13 #51
This isn't guaranteed income, it's a single $3000 injection. WarGamer Jun 13 #55
All hypothetical here, right? Easterncedar Jun 13 #56
But the OP says give 300M people $3000 each... WarGamer Jun 15 #58
Your interlocutor is a conservative Republican. BannonsLiver Jun 19 #59
And not only is Elon a trillionaire, it seems like it isn't enough for him. Initech Jun 13 #38
spellcheck does work dweller Jun 13 #46
The good side of it all is that he will die someday, and all the money in the world will not prevent it. NNadir Jun 13 #50
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