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51. What's wrong with socialism?

Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:40 PM

19 hrs ago

Who on earth talks about extremism by putting MAGA and democratic socialists in the same sentence?? What policies and stances do they think are extreme? I've seen some here at DU say that socialism is a dirty word in the US and democratic socialists should be discouraged from being Democrats, but pandering to politically ignorant people isn't the way to go. Education and showing people what can be done is the solution to that. The Mayor of New York is leading the way on that, and also AOC. I saw a really good documentary thing where she travelled to deep red parts of the US and talked with people about data centres being built close to their homes. I think she changed some hearts and minds doing that.

To be opposed to socialism is to be opposed to workers rights and trade unions, universal healthcare, free education etc. Which I guess is why the US is in the mess it's in right now....

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13 centrist Democrats sign "Promise to America" - capitalism, fiscal discipline, strong borders and pride in US [View all] Nanjeanne 23 hrs ago OP

My Dog.... NewHendoLib 23 hrs ago #1

We are definitetly going to need to take the house by more than 13. LuvLoogie 23 hrs ago #2

We definitely have a centrist problem. Emile 20 hrs ago #41

Without centrists Boo1 20 hrs ago #44

We have a centrist problem!! Emile 20 hrs ago #45

Seriously. What a bunch of drivel from these CivicGrief 18 hrs ago #55

You get to define what Boo1 17 hrs ago #67

See post 36 Emile 17 hrs ago #71

we know what it ISN'T Skittles 14 hrs ago #95

Yes Cirsium 18 min ago #117

Not to mention centrists are terrible negotiators. They only ask GPV 2 hrs ago #107

I agree PatSeg 2 hrs ago #108

And "Centrists" are just Bettie 18 hrs ago #58

Bullshit Boo1 17 hrs ago #69

Did you read it? Cirsium 16 min ago #118

I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote 2 hrs ago #111

Moderates is a better description demosincebirth 2 hrs ago #109

Post removed Post removed 23 hrs ago #3

"Contract on America" orthoclad 23 hrs ago #5

Right? AStern 22 hrs ago #16

This "promise" is an agreement to orthoclad 22 hrs ago #19

Exactly Blue Full Moon 16 hrs ago #76

Shades of Newt Gingrich orthoclad 16 hrs ago #77

I'm good with most of that stuff. What are they against? mymomwasright 23 hrs ago #4

Y'know, all those things that "socialist" countries have. orthoclad 23 hrs ago #6

It's bad enough that the R's are trying to divide us Deuxcents 23 hrs ago #7

They seem to believe that everything happening today is fine and is mainstream and normal Quiet Em 23 hrs ago #8

They don't believe everything is fine. yardwork 23 hrs ago #10

They aren't offering anything Quiet Em 23 hrs ago #11

I agree mvd 3 hrs ago #100

Tom Suozzi is in NY Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #13

Then they should have some respect for the Dems who won in their districts. Why put out this Nanjeanne 22 hrs ago #25

What? I don't understand what you're saying. yardwork 19 hrs ago #49

How about you just read the free link to the Wash Post or maybe even Suozzi's own statement Nanjeanne 15 hrs ago #83

Are you suggesting that people should vote against them? yardwork 15 hrs ago #84

What are you talking about? Where did I say that? Voters get to choose. Im flummoxed. Nanjeanne 14 hrs ago #86

North Carolina's primaries are over. yardwork 14 hrs ago #87

My OP made no comment at all. I posted a Wash Post article and the actual Promise To America. Nanjeanne 14 hrs ago #88

These are your exact words in this thread: yardwork 14 hrs ago #89

Read my lips. I NEVER SUGGESTED ANYTHING ABOUT HOW SOMEONE SHOULD VOTE. Nanjeanne 14 hrs ago #91

Bashing Democratic candidates depresses the vote for them. yardwork 14 hrs ago #92

All of us at DU want to take back the House and we want all of our Democratic nominees to win Quiet Em 14 hrs ago #94

I'm not surprised to see the two from North Carolina. yardwork 23 hrs ago #9

I am mixed on this issue. Matthew28 23 hrs ago #12

My goal is to get a Democratic majority in Congress. yardwork 22 hrs ago #18

But they are attacking other Democrats in a not so subtle way. CivicGrief 18 hrs ago #59

How are they attacking other Democrats? yardwork 18 hrs ago #60

They said it was. Read the articles. Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #65

We're all aware how civics works. CivicGrief 14 hrs ago #90

"Yes, but who wants a majority if we must sacrifice being pure to get there?" ... or something 😂🤣🙄 QueerDuck 2 hrs ago #110

It seems laughable but here we are. yardwork 1 hr ago #112

And are the progressives who have won their primaries against "strong" borders and against some level Nanjeanne 22 hrs ago #23

We aren't in a big tent, I guess. aocommunalpunch 21 hrs ago #26

I personally think the Dems MustLoveBeagles 21 hrs ago #33

Which 'socialist' policies do they disagree with? NeoTrajan 22 hrs ago #14

I suspect they're appeasing their corporate donors LearnedHand 21 hrs ago #30

Here is my first stab at a list. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #53

They probably disagree with the DSA's call to defund the police, abolish prisons, and release all convicts. lapucelle 1 hr ago #114

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Me too politics doesn't work MustLoveBeagles 21 hrs ago #34

they all need to be primaried hookaleft 22 hrs ago #17

Many of them should be on the top of the primary list for 2028 Renew Deal 22 hrs ago #20

Yeah, Europe is so extreme. However, I agree that "Socialist" is a loser in the .... ColoringFool 22 hrs ago #21

Socialism is the bogeyman pushed by the pukes LearnedHand 21 hrs ago #31

And they still will be labeled as Socialists from the right. CivicGrief 18 hrs ago #57

If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, Emile 22 hrs ago #22

What a completely pointless clump of words. Oneironaut 22 hrs ago #24

Post removed Post removed 21 hrs ago #27

So corruption and neoliberalism are totally okay LearnedHand 21 hrs ago #28

First of all Karma13612 21 hrs ago #29

They aren't trying to put forth any new ideas. They merely want to imply that these damn progressive Nanjeanne 21 hrs ago #36

What this usually means is Bettie 18 hrs ago #63

You got it. Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #64

They're really Eisenhower Republicans. The GOP doesn't want them. haele 21 hrs ago #32

Eisenhower doesn't want them either. Nanjeanne 21 hrs ago #37

Not one F***ng word in the Promise to America about (for profit) HMO HealthCare. Ars Longa 21 hrs ago #35

That would impact the bottom line of Bettie 17 hrs ago #72

13 out of 200? SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #38

Rule: If even one Democrat can be used to suppress support for the whole party, we're off to the races. betsuni 14 hrs ago #93

What's the point of this.... Etherealoc1 21 hrs ago #39

More Fettermans. Emile 20 hrs ago #40

Democratic Socialism is now mainstream AZProgressive 20 hrs ago #42

Oh alright ...OK, from now on.... you get TWO bread crusts a day-- instead of ONE. Ars Longa 20 hrs ago #43

Post removed Post removed 20 hrs ago #46

My thoughts too! Emile 19 hrs ago #47

Every one of these candidates is the Democratic candidate in their district. yardwork 18 hrs ago #61

This is likely going to be a theme durablend 19 hrs ago #48

I'm for socialism, taxing the billionaires into nonexistence, labor's freedom of movement equals capital's Prairie Gates 19 hrs ago #50

What's wrong with socialism? Violet_Crumble 19 hrs ago #51

As MLK Jr said Nanjeanne 2 hrs ago #103

"We disagree with socialists," Suozzi said". yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #52

Democratic Socialists aren't socialists. They are the real centrists. pat_k 18 hrs ago #54

Please corect tthe headline. These people are not at the "center" of anything. Bluetus 18 hrs ago #56

It was the Wash Post description. Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #73

I suggest putting it in quotes then, because it is an opinion of theirs, certainly not a fact. Bluetus 16 hrs ago #75

Got any details to go with that rhetoric? Raven123 18 hrs ago #62

Oh goodie. mr715 17 hrs ago #66

Not just tepid dishwater - sour sink water that's been sitting there for three days with grease and soap in it . . . hatrack 17 hrs ago #68

PTA is Vague Classic "No Labels" stuff : Zero mention of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid-- Ars Longa 17 hrs ago #70

"Fiscal discipline?" ... TAX THE RICH, and ... Martin Eden 16 hrs ago #74

A good start for the creation of a new Republican Deminpenn 16 hrs ago #78

The question is what are we going to do make difference in peoples lives. everyonematters 16 hrs ago #79

I'm glad my rep didn't sign that. 50 Shades Of Blue 16 hrs ago #80

Lol, gab13by13 15 hrs ago #81

I was almost convinced to vote for candidate Marlene Galn-Woods in Arizona but her decision to sign on to this in2herbs 15 hrs ago #82

Post removed Post removed 15 hrs ago #85

Aw, hell... duckworth969 13 hrs ago #96

Flipping a red district that Donald Trump won is an actual Nixie 12 hrs ago #97

I'm proud to say that we flipped two Nassau county districts blue in 2024, lapucelle 3 hrs ago #98

President Harry S Truman knew the type and warned us. Kid Berwyn 3 hrs ago #99

What a piece of shit document JBTaurus83 3 hrs ago #101

Al politics is local. - Tip O'Neill mzmolly 3 hrs ago #102

Putting lipstick on capitalism with colonial era values bucolic_frolic 2 hrs ago #104

You can NOT have "fair" capialism without some johnnyfins 2 hrs ago #105

Exactly JBTaurus83 1 hr ago #113

The "Carville Fetterman axis" trying to look relevant n/t Munu 2 hrs ago #106

James Carville supported Conor Lamb in 2022. N/T lapucelle 1 hr ago #115

Even a broken clock.... JBTaurus83 28 min ago #116

So the "Fetterman-Carville axis" doesn't actually exist lapucelle 28 sec ago #119