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183. So if Arabs had accepted a Palestinian nation under the UN partition in 1948

Mon Jun 29, 2026, 06:39 AM

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rather than banding together to attack and start a war (which they lost) against Israel, none of this would be happening now?

Would Egypt have "taken by force the fertile lands of Gaza" had they not been among the countries that started the 1948 war against Israel? Would a Gaza Envelope exist absent the wars of aggression against Israel started (and lost) by Arab coalitions, including the 1967 war?

Is the original sin the refusal of Palestinians to accept the UN designated national homeland, the 1948 war against Israel started by the Arab coalition shortly thereafter, or Egypt's appropriation and military control of Gaza post 1948?

How different the world would be if only Arab nations had helped Palestinians to finally establish a nation in 1947-48 rather than beginning this series of endless wars in an effort to expel Jews from their newly established nation in their ancient ancestral homeland.

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