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Eko

(10,225 posts)
188. The Palestinians leaving voluntarily during the 1948 war is false.
Mon Jun 29, 2026, 04:41 PM
6 hrs ago

While some may have left on their own there is no evidence of that where there is a lot of evidence they left because they were pushed out with either force or the threat of force.
https://mei.edu/publication/palestinian-refugees-myth-vs-reality/

Israeli historian Ilan Pappé conducted extensive research in Israeli Defense Force archives and revealed how Zionist paramilitary organizations, such as the Haganah, Irgun Zvai Leumi, and Lehi (Stern Gang), received orders to systemically attack and depopulate Palestinian villages. These orders were organized under Plan Dalet, a military plan put forward by the Zionist High Command with the goal of taking over mandatory Palestine, establishing a Jewish state, and defending its borders. Plan Dalet was distributed to all of the major Zionist paramilitary organizations, with explicit instructions regarding Palestinian villages that fell in the territory that Zionist leaders sought for the creation of their state, the majority of which resulted in being 78% of historic Palestine. From IDF archives utilized by Ilan Pappé “these operations can be carried out in the following manner: either by destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and by planting mines in their rubble), and especially those population centers that are difficult to control permanently; or by mounting combing and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the villages, conducting a search inside them. In cases of resistance, the armed forces must be wiped out and the population expelled outside the borders of the state.” Benny Morris corroborates these claims: “it is possible that at least 55 percent of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations and by their influence.”

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