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Nanjeanne

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102. Who said did they couldn't vote? That's not an answer to the laws that discriminate against them because of

Wed Jul 1, 2026, 09:31 AM

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the nationalism policy overriding the citizenship question. But you go ahead and repeat they are citizens without reading or learning anything more about actual laws, nationalism vs citizenship etc.

BTW I guess you could say the same about black Americans during Jim Crow. They could vote.

And I'm sure Levy is happy to hear he is wrong. I mean what does he know? He served as an Israeli peace negotiator at the Oslo-B talks under Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and the Taba negotiations under Prime Minister Ehud Barak. It’s true he went into those negotiations as a believer, but came out of them with a very different view of what Israel actually intended. But, my, yes Daniel Levy is promoting hate against Jews.

You can have a different opinion. Even Barton and Levy have different opinions about the purpose of Zionism vs the evolution it. But declaring them wrong based on your knowledge va theirs is a bit disrespectful. Your opinion can’t be based solely on they are citizens without discussing nationalism policies. Or declaring these scholars don’t know the facts that you know.

Thanks for pointing that out with your facts. Who can argue with you when you keep repeating something over and over? Certainly not me. But I’d be happy to continue talking after you’ve had a chance to spend time in Israel talking and working alongside Palestinians both citizens and non.

Have a great day.

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I will stand up for Palestinian human rights and firmly against bigotry aimed at Jews. They are the same job [View all] Nanjeanne Jun 24 OP

In the same vain, a persecuted Palestinian child today no different than a persecuted Jewish child during the Holocaust Chasstev365 Jun 24 #1

The Jews used to say: Never again! John Farmer Yesterday #117

It's honestly a catch phrase that can be used by any group. Not just the one it's most famously applied to. haele 8 hrs ago #125

K & R malaise Jun 24 #2

All I care about in 2026 JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #3

Priorities: 1) get those 30% of black men who voted for MAGA to reexamine their choices, and Ponietz Jun 24 #4

What about the 65% of white men who vote Republican? yardwork Jun 24 #6

What about what about? Ponietz Jun 24 #8

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They're voting for what they think is their best interests. paleotn Jun 24 #29

I'd like to get them to reexamine their choices Bettie Jun 24 #62

Some of those 65% are persuadable. Many are not. Martin Eden Thursday #94

I think you mean 22% JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #15

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I think you mean 22% JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #16

I don't think the Democratic party has a white supremacy adjacent problem, but they do have a third party adjacent LeftInTX Jun 24 #51

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jun 24 #55

They are a political party with their own presidential candidates. LeftInTX Jun 24 #56

Yeah. H2O Man Jun 24 #57

They take away Democratic voters, just like the Green Party does. That's not insignificant. LeftInTX Jun 24 #59

If their backed candidate would have won the Democratic primary, it would have been a laughing stock. LeftInTX Jun 24 #60

The entire country JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #68

"I think we need to be given reasons to vote for Candidates." Martin Eden Thursday #92

Fear Tactics JustAnotherGen Thursday #95

One doesn't have to be terrified of fascism to understand its impact and take action against it. Martin Eden Thursday #97

"It doesn't make a difference, so why bother?" so many ask. Beartracks Jun 24 #83

This white woman is voting with you. yardwork Jun 24 #5

As is this decrepit Irish rebel. H2O Man Jun 24 #40

Older white woman, Black voters, Bettie Jun 24 #65

Not to mention BaronChocula Jun 24 #81

So you have no sympathy for Latin immigrants being rounded up and deported without a trial? Unlike Trump and his MAGAts, Martin68 Jun 24 #21

FFS. yardwork Jun 24 #23

I'm sorry, I was responding to JustAntherGen " All I care about in 2026 Is Black Voting Rights, Civil Rights, and Martin68 Jun 24 #25

You know what she meant. yardwork Jun 24 #26

I don't understand what you mean. "All I care about..." is a very clear statement unworthy of any Democrat. Martin68 Jun 24 #28

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Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jun 24 #37

I'm a Black American before JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #71

Considering what has happened that's understandable.... electric_blue68 Jun 24 #77

This is why H2O Man Jun 24 #50

You get me H2O Man JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #72

Understandable and acceptable. I feel the same way about KPN Jun 24 #67

I hear the pain echoing in your message... slightlv Jun 24 #82

Look at all those responses to your posting. We Democratic Party people just love to tear each other down Wonder Why Thursday #91

I didn't read those other responses JustAnotherGen Thursday #96

I suspect a lot of the problem is that most Democrats want to feel like they're fixing "the problem". haele 7 hrs ago #127

DURec leftstreet Jun 24 #7

That is the healthy thoughtful attitude. harumph Jun 24 #9

Israel has a way with dividing Americans. Was ever thus. twodogsbarking Jun 24 #10

Well said! MaryMagdaline Jun 24 #11

Stand against violence......period! BeneteauBum Jun 24 #12

Good statement. David__77 Jun 24 #13

K & R Celerity Jun 24 #14

I don't think Anti-Zionism is allowed on DU Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #17

Sometimes it's like watching a klan rally Sympthsical Jun 24 #24

and we're supposed to b the smart party. mopinko Jun 24 #32

I disagree Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #34

There are many Israeli Jewish scholars like Bartov and Levy who do not believe in Zionism for reasons Nanjeanne Jun 24 #38

Destiny/Ethan Kline fans & those who have a cynical view on nuance definitely don't want to hear from anti Israeli Jews SunImp Jun 24 #69

Or the irony of (Ultra Orthodox) Haredim being anti or non-Zionist Ponietz Jun 24 #73

I'm honestly confused by this Mossfern Jun 24 #79

I'll post their debate and the transcript since it's very nuanced. No they don't believe Israel shouldnt exist. It does. Nanjeanne Jun 24 #80

Wow, that is hardly "nuanced." Levy and Bartov are very wrong. SunSeeker Yesterday #98

Palestinians may have citizenship but they are not nationals which is a big distinction. Nanjeanne Yesterday #99

Arabs can vote and serve in the Knesset. Levy is dead wrong, Zionism does not seek Arab removal. SunSeeker Yesterday #100

Who said did they couldn't vote? That's not an answer to the laws that discriminate against them because of Nanjeanne Yesterday #102

Zionism has a definition. It is not a matter of "opinion." nt SunSeeker Yesterday #107

Okie dokie. Nanjeanne Yesterday #108

It's just that simple, Nanjeanne Violet_Crumble 15 hrs ago #123

It's such a pleasure to have real conversations about real things and learn or disagree but come Nanjeanne 9 hrs ago #124

Are you sure? AloeVera Yesterday #103

I thought this had been put to bed but I guess Nanjeanne Yesterday #104

Nothing about the Middle East has been "put to bed." SunSeeker Yesterday #106

Yup. Exactly. Absolutely. So right. Thanks. Nanjeanne Yesterday #109

Yes, I'm sure. Levy wrongly said Zionism is about removing all Palestinians from "the river to the sea." SunSeeker Yesterday #105

Likud/Netanyahu is the version of Zionism Israelis seem to prefer. AloeVera Yesterday #110

Americans keep electing Trump, but Trump is not America. SunSeeker Yesterday #113

I see... AloeVera Yesterday #116

You call raping Israeli girls and parading their lifeless bodies to cheering Gazans merely "a wee bit riled up"? SunSeeker 17 hrs ago #120

They very clearly didn't call it that.... Violet_Crumble 15 hrs ago #122

There's not Sympthsical Jun 24 #39

Sorry, but there is Violet_Crumble Jun 24 #86

It's simple Sympthsical Jun 24 #87

Could you answer the question I asked you? Violet_Crumble Jun 24 #89

Except it's not just Likud anymore iemanja Jun 24 #88

Yep, they are taught to hate, and that hate is also encouraged by the US Violet_Crumble Thursday #90

it is in my mind, but mopinko Jun 24 #31

It's also in the wrong forum Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #35

the rule used to b that it was allowed in gd when there was a significant news story. mopinko Jun 24 #46

Yeah Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #49

I don't think that it is against the terms of use muriel_volestrangler Jun 24 #36

words mean things. mopinko Jun 24 #47

No, it doesn't just mean that muriel_volestrangler Jun 24 #54

Is there really an issue with Mossfern Yesterday #111

For nearly 60 years, "the development of Israel" has meant, in practice, colonialism muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #112

Neighboring area that attack? Mossfern Yesterday #114

Let's be accurate. The 1967 war began with Israel attacking. Violet_Crumble 15 hrs ago #121

Some words can have a range of meanings and I believe that's always been the case. Crunchy Frog Yesterday #115

israeli arabs have full civil rights. mopinko Yesterday #118

Whatevs. 🤷‍♀️ Crunchy Frog 20 hrs ago #119

I dont see anything in the TOS saying that . Eko Jun 24 #74

Look up Yitzhak Rabin and Yeshayahu Leibowitz Blue Full Moon Jun 24 #18

You can't critciize Israel and not be anti-semetic? That's pure bullshit. patphil Jun 24 #19

Lander says in the video "You can criticize Israel and not be anti-Semitic". chowder66 Jun 24 #27

This post seems to be inconsistent with it's subject line NoRethugFriends Jun 24 #33

Words are easy to say but do actions match the words sarisataka Jun 24 #41

I will also stand up against brutal dictators like Netanyahu and criminal oligarchs like Elon Musk and Larry Ellison. Initech Jun 24 #42

Sorry about that, I mis-read the post, but my comments are still correct. patphil Jun 24 #61

Food enid602 Jun 24 #43

they're eating now. mopinko Jun 24 #52

Aid enid602 Jun 24 #58

Sadly, facts don't seem to matter. AloeVera Jun 24 #63

Those are the disproven, gaslighting talking points of lying war-monger Netanyahu. AloeVera Jun 24 #75

Very well said PatSeg Jun 24 #44

I am for the human rights of any Palestinian... gulliver Jun 24 #45

You seem to contradict yourself as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which btw has no such caveats. AloeVera Jun 24 #66

True, I'll add a line to be clear. gulliver Jun 24 #70

Since you don't seem to know what a supremacist is.. AloeVera Jun 24 #76

Brad Lander's interview w/ Antonia Hilton was excellent. yellow dahlia Jun 24 #48

Kick MustLoveBeagles Jun 24 #53

Hear hear! KPN Jun 24 #64

I'm uniformly indifferent to all religions MineralMan Jun 24 #78

1000% n/t Cheezoholic Jun 24 #84

I would love to live in a more secular world. walkingman Yesterday #101

Post removed Post removed Jun 24 #85

Never Forget. Iggo Thursday #93

It's all bigotry. No matter what side you see yourself on. If you vilify the people thats bigotry. Srkdqltr 8 hrs ago #126