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111. Is there really an issue with

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 1, 2026, 03:35 PM

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"The development and and protection of the State of Israel?"
Which one of those is a negative aspect to you?

Isn't that the mission of any developed nation?

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I will stand up for Palestinian human rights and firmly against bigotry aimed at Jews. They are the same job [View all] Nanjeanne Jun 24 OP

In the same vain, a persecuted Palestinian child today no different than a persecuted Jewish child during the Holocaust Chasstev365 Jun 24 #1

The Jews used to say: Never again! John Farmer Wednesday #117

It's honestly a catch phrase that can be used by any group. Not just the one it's most famously applied to. haele 16 hrs ago #125

K & R malaise Jun 24 #2

All I care about in 2026 JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #3

Priorities: 1) get those 30% of black men who voted for MAGA to reexamine their choices, and Ponietz Jun 24 #4

What about the 65% of white men who vote Republican? yardwork Jun 24 #6

What about what about? Ponietz Jun 24 #8

Post removed Post removed Jun 24 #20

They're voting for what they think is their best interests. paleotn Jun 24 #29

I'd like to get them to reexamine their choices Bettie Jun 24 #62

Some of those 65% are persuadable. Many are not. Martin Eden Jun 25 #94

I think you mean 22% JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #15

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I think you mean 22% JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #16

I don't think the Democratic party has a white supremacy adjacent problem, but they do have a third party adjacent LeftInTX Jun 24 #51

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jun 24 #55

They are a political party with their own presidential candidates. LeftInTX Jun 24 #56

Yeah. H2O Man Jun 24 #57

They take away Democratic voters, just like the Green Party does. That's not insignificant. LeftInTX Jun 24 #59

If their backed candidate would have won the Democratic primary, it would have been a laughing stock. LeftInTX Jun 24 #60

The entire country JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #68

"I think we need to be given reasons to vote for Candidates." Martin Eden Jun 25 #92

Fear Tactics JustAnotherGen Jun 25 #95

One doesn't have to be terrified of fascism to understand its impact and take action against it. Martin Eden Jun 25 #97

"It doesn't make a difference, so why bother?" so many ask. Beartracks Jun 24 #83

This white woman is voting with you. yardwork Jun 24 #5

As is this decrepit Irish rebel. H2O Man Jun 24 #40

Older white woman, Black voters, Bettie Jun 24 #65

Not to mention BaronChocula Jun 24 #81

So you have no sympathy for Latin immigrants being rounded up and deported without a trial? Unlike Trump and his MAGAts, Martin68 Jun 24 #21

FFS. yardwork Jun 24 #23

I'm sorry, I was responding to JustAntherGen " All I care about in 2026 Is Black Voting Rights, Civil Rights, and Martin68 Jun 24 #25

You know what she meant. yardwork Jun 24 #26

I don't understand what you mean. "All I care about..." is a very clear statement unworthy of any Democrat. Martin68 Jun 24 #28

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Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jun 24 #37

I'm a Black American before JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #71

Considering what has happened that's understandable.... electric_blue68 Jun 24 #77

This is why H2O Man Jun 24 #50

You get me H2O Man JustAnotherGen Jun 24 #72

Understandable and acceptable. I feel the same way about KPN Jun 24 #67

I hear the pain echoing in your message... slightlv Jun 24 #82

Look at all those responses to your posting. We Democratic Party people just love to tear each other down Wonder Why Jun 25 #91

I didn't read those other responses JustAnotherGen Jun 25 #96

I suspect a lot of the problem is that most Democrats want to feel like they're fixing "the problem". haele 15 hrs ago #127

DURec leftstreet Jun 24 #7

That is the healthy thoughtful attitude. harumph Jun 24 #9

Israel has a way with dividing Americans. Was ever thus. twodogsbarking Jun 24 #10

Well said! MaryMagdaline Jun 24 #11

Stand against violence......period! BeneteauBum Jun 24 #12

Good statement. David__77 Jun 24 #13

K & R Celerity Jun 24 #14

I don't think Anti-Zionism is allowed on DU Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #17

Sometimes it's like watching a klan rally Sympthsical Jun 24 #24

and we're supposed to b the smart party. mopinko Jun 24 #32

I disagree Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #34

There are many Israeli Jewish scholars like Bartov and Levy who do not believe in Zionism for reasons Nanjeanne Jun 24 #38

Destiny/Ethan Kline fans & those who have a cynical view on nuance definitely don't want to hear from anti Israeli Jews SunImp Jun 24 #69

Or the irony of (Ultra Orthodox) Haredim being anti or non-Zionist Ponietz Jun 24 #73

I'm honestly confused by this Mossfern Jun 24 #79

I'll post their debate and the transcript since it's very nuanced. No they don't believe Israel shouldnt exist. It does. Nanjeanne Jun 24 #80

Wow, that is hardly "nuanced." Levy and Bartov are very wrong. SunSeeker Wednesday #98

Palestinians may have citizenship but they are not nationals which is a big distinction. Nanjeanne Wednesday #99

Arabs can vote and serve in the Knesset. Levy is dead wrong, Zionism does not seek Arab removal. SunSeeker Wednesday #100

Who said did they couldn't vote? That's not an answer to the laws that discriminate against them because of Nanjeanne Wednesday #102

Zionism has a definition. It is not a matter of "opinion." nt SunSeeker Wednesday #107

Okie dokie. Nanjeanne Wednesday #108

It's just that simple, Nanjeanne Violet_Crumble 23 hrs ago #123

It's such a pleasure to have real conversations about real things and learn or disagree but come Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #124

Are you sure? AloeVera Wednesday #103

I thought this had been put to bed but I guess Nanjeanne Wednesday #104

Nothing about the Middle East has been "put to bed." SunSeeker Wednesday #106

Yup. Exactly. Absolutely. So right. Thanks. Nanjeanne Wednesday #109

Yes, I'm sure. Levy wrongly said Zionism is about removing all Palestinians from "the river to the sea." SunSeeker Wednesday #105

Likud/Netanyahu is the version of Zionism Israelis seem to prefer. AloeVera Wednesday #110

Americans keep electing Trump, but Trump is not America. SunSeeker Wednesday #113

I see... AloeVera Wednesday #116

You call raping Israeli girls and parading their lifeless bodies to cheering Gazans merely "a wee bit riled up"? SunSeeker Yesterday #120

They very clearly didn't call it that.... Violet_Crumble 23 hrs ago #122

There's not Sympthsical Jun 24 #39

Sorry, but there is Violet_Crumble Jun 24 #86

It's simple Sympthsical Jun 24 #87

Could you answer the question I asked you? Violet_Crumble Jun 24 #89

Except it's not just Likud anymore iemanja Jun 24 #88

Yep, they are taught to hate, and that hate is also encouraged by the US Violet_Crumble Jun 25 #90

it is in my mind, but mopinko Jun 24 #31

It's also in the wrong forum Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #35

the rule used to b that it was allowed in gd when there was a significant news story. mopinko Jun 24 #46

Yeah Johnny2X2X Jun 24 #49

I don't think that it is against the terms of use muriel_volestrangler Jun 24 #36

words mean things. mopinko Jun 24 #47

No, it doesn't just mean that muriel_volestrangler Jun 24 #54

Is there really an issue with Mossfern Wednesday #111

For nearly 60 years, "the development of Israel" has meant, in practice, colonialism muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #112

Neighboring area that attack? Mossfern Wednesday #114

Let's be accurate. The 1967 war began with Israel attacking. Violet_Crumble 23 hrs ago #121

Some words can have a range of meanings and I believe that's always been the case. Crunchy Frog Wednesday #115

israeli arabs have full civil rights. mopinko Wednesday #118

Whatevs. 🤷‍♀️ Crunchy Frog Wednesday #119

I dont see anything in the TOS saying that . Eko Jun 24 #74

Look up Yitzhak Rabin and Yeshayahu Leibowitz Blue Full Moon Jun 24 #18

You can't critciize Israel and not be anti-semetic? That's pure bullshit. patphil Jun 24 #19

Lander says in the video "You can criticize Israel and not be anti-Semitic". chowder66 Jun 24 #27

This post seems to be inconsistent with it's subject line NoRethugFriends Jun 24 #33

Words are easy to say but do actions match the words sarisataka Jun 24 #41

I will also stand up against brutal dictators like Netanyahu and criminal oligarchs like Elon Musk and Larry Ellison. Initech Jun 24 #42

Sorry about that, I mis-read the post, but my comments are still correct. patphil Jun 24 #61

Food enid602 Jun 24 #43

they're eating now. mopinko Jun 24 #52

Aid enid602 Jun 24 #58

Sadly, facts don't seem to matter. AloeVera Jun 24 #63

Those are the disproven, gaslighting talking points of lying war-monger Netanyahu. AloeVera Jun 24 #75

Very well said PatSeg Jun 24 #44

I am for the human rights of any Palestinian... gulliver Jun 24 #45

You seem to contradict yourself as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which btw has no such caveats. AloeVera Jun 24 #66

True, I'll add a line to be clear. gulliver Jun 24 #70

Since you don't seem to know what a supremacist is.. AloeVera Jun 24 #76

Brad Lander's interview w/ Antonia Hilton was excellent. yellow dahlia Jun 24 #48

Kick MustLoveBeagles Jun 24 #53

Hear hear! KPN Jun 24 #64

I'm uniformly indifferent to all religions MineralMan Jun 24 #78

1000% n/t Cheezoholic Jun 24 #84

I would love to live in a more secular world. walkingman Wednesday #101

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Never Forget. Iggo Jun 25 #93

It's all bigotry. No matter what side you see yourself on. If you vilify the people thats bigotry. Srkdqltr 16 hrs ago #126