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Javaman

(64,394 posts)
47. want to know why we lost?
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:10 AM
May 2025

here is the very hard truth.

once upon a time, the Dems were the party of the working class. but since the early 80's when ray-gun changed the landscape, one too many dems jumped on the band wagon believing that conservatism was the way and they party moved to the right.

those that the supported the dems, felt abandoned and chose to fall for the flowery words of "morning in America" to follow. because while it was all bullshit, it was a concise message that was easy to digest and go with. the working class thought the repukes were talking to them.

the dems being the dems, couldn't coalesce into a unified message until Clinton came along, but Clinton, like him or not, chose a version of the democratic platform that was less old time messaging and more centrist right.

then came NAFTA. While on paper and how it was promoted sounded great, but in reality, it really kinda sucked for the average American blue collar worker. Jobs they thought were safe vanished because wealthy corporations saw the opportunity to open shop in 3rd world countries to make their productions cheaper and without Unions.

and during this time? the workers felt left out and forgotten by the Dems.

this is all very simplified

we now have a golden opportunity to bring them back.

Bernie and AOC know the score and how to do it. by countering everything the rebukes say with townhalls that the rebukes are too chicken to show up to.

this is how we win, not by blaming the previous administration. Biden was good, but old. Kamala was fantastic but held back. She should have let Tim Walz loose to be himself but they kept him on a short lease. People were eating up what he was saying then and now but not during the campaign.

stop playing nice, stop trying to be polite. that is the way to go. talk directly to the working class, which is: if you work for a paycheck, you are working class and the rich are taking the money right out our pockets.

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Sounds like a book about bullshit Bayard May 2025 #1
None of it was fact checked... 2naSalit May 2025 #49
I have no doubt Biden JBTaurus83 May 2025 #2
We're not always running 75-90 year-olds. brush May 2025 #32
Nobody is saying he wasn't effective. But we could all see he was diminishing. We all have eyes and ears!! Pisces May 2025 #3
Sure jan tintinvotes May 2025 #4
He would have lost worse than Kamala did JBTaurus83 May 2025 #6
Sure jan tintinvotes May 2025 #7
Good grief MadameButterfly May 2025 #17
LOL Skittles May 2025 #21
I agree JBTaurus83 May 2025 #5
Great, now we have a 78 year old man who can't actually think, and many people hoping he will die Walleye May 2025 #31
I would take Biden on his worst day over any day with trump. Katinfl May 2025 #39
It's creepy. They just can't quit Joe Biden. Walleye May 2025 #43
I pray for his death JustAnotherGen May 2025 #40
It's not an either/or RedArkGuy May 2025 #9
From what I've seen on the Threads App JustAnotherGen May 2025 #41
A simple comparison of videos from 2020 & 2024 showed the obvious Callie1979 May 2025 #33
Who needs a lying book: C Moon May 2025 #8
As Bill Maher said, "I'll take Biden's head floating in green fluid in a lab jar to trump." Silent Type May 2025 #10
Sure jan tintinvotes May 2025 #11
No one here radical noodle May 2025 #12
Sure jan tintinvotes May 2025 #13
Yeah, right. And what precipitated what happened in the last election? We had no chance after June 27th to beat trump. Silent Type May 2025 #14
👌 tintinvotes May 2025 #15
Unfortunately SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #16
Post removed Post removed May 2025 #20
sure Jan Skittles May 2025 #22
Nice try Jan tintinvotes May 2025 #25
You're ignoring the fact that AFTER that debate there'd be 4.5 more YEARS to go Callie1979 May 2025 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 2025 #52
It was not only one performance MadameButterfly May 2025 #18
Post removed Post removed May 2025 #26
And continuing to ignore reality is how we lose AGAIN. Callie1979 May 2025 #34
I don't believe this BS book videohead5 May 2025 #19
The interview where he threw Kamala under the bus? MadameButterfly May 2025 #53
How did he throw her videohead5 May 2025 #54
I equate this book with the insidious situation my friend is going through. no_hypocrisy May 2025 #23
You are describing elder abuse. madaboutharry May 2025 #27
My friend won't report this. I had to go to Adult Protective Services. no_hypocrisy May 2025 #30
Did Adult Protective Services do anything? Katinfl May 2025 #42
Just here to say this is breaking my heart. Alice B. May 2025 #45
It's interesting that this is from the BBC SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #24
How about Tapper report on Trumps mental state, something that really matters. The coward won't. dem4decades May 2025 #28
And yet shithole is breaking the law and ignoring the Constitution.................. Lovie777 May 2025 #29
wow, what a circular firing squad in this thread. Javaman May 2025 #35
I agree. But how we win in '26 & '28 is to figure out how/why we lost in '24 Callie1979 May 2025 #37
We lost because the American public is easily manipulated Keepthesoulalive May 2025 #38
Keep believing thats the "why" & we'll lose again. Callie1979 May 2025 #57
Too many democrats sat this one out. Katinfl May 2025 #44
About the same number skipped 2020 too. I dont get it either Callie1979 May 2025 #58
want to know why we lost? Javaman May 2025 #47
But ask those who voted for Biden & Obama but then voted for trump what they think Callie1979 May 2025 #56
Can they do the same deep dive on the current 78 year old treating the country like his business? Brainfodder May 2025 #46
ANYTHING to deflect attention from the most corrupt regime in national history. Paladin May 2025 #48
I do not believe that President Biden was that disabled LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #50
If you bothered to read the reports Deminpenn May 2025 #51
Time for some Amazon reviews. Vinca May 2025 #55
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