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In reply to the discussion: The US economy grew at a 3.8% rate in the second quarter, significantly stronger than previously reported [View all]Wiz Imp
(7,491 posts)33. A major reason for the increase is actually a quirk in how the GDP is calculated.
A significant drop in imports caused by the tariffs caused the GDP to rise (irrespective of any other factors). This is counter intuitive and quite frankly, leads to the GDP number being misleading.
The "import effect": Imports are a subtraction in the GDP calculation. During Q1, imports surged as businesses stockpiled goods in anticipation of new tariffs. When imports then fell sharply in Q2, it created a major boost to the GDP calculation, even though it didn't reflect booming domestic demand.
From Google AI Summary:
The headline 3.8% GDP figure for Q2 2025 paints an overly optimistic picture of the economy. The number was heavily distorted by the statistical effect of imports, even though consumer spending held up. Beneath the surface, signals like slowing job growth suggest the economy is on weaker footing than the single GDP number would imply, which is why policymakers and economists analyze a wider range of indicators.
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The US economy grew at a 3.8% rate in the second quarter, significantly stronger than previously reported [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Thursday
OP
First thing I thought: U.S. Commerce Department is putting out these numbers, Lutnick doesn't want to be fired.
sop
Thursday
#2
It includes Libation Day (sp) in April, with front running & all kinds of unusual adjustments by corps to TACO.
Bernardo de La Paz
Thursday
#16
Awful that we have to wonder if official reports and stats are trustworthy. But there's good reason. And awful that
wiggs
Thursday
#5
The data for the next ten quarters is available and waiting to be released.
twodogsbarking
Thursday
#9
Yes, the economy is artificially boosted by AI capex (data centres, energy)
Bernardo de La Paz
Thursday
#19
They are moving to throw up data centres as fast as they can. There is construction, purchase of gas turbines, etc.
Bernardo de La Paz
Yesterday
#57
Thank you. As if not getting fired automatically makes a worker corrupt.
Bernardo de La Paz
Thursday
#34
Everything he said would prevent a political appointee from juicing numbers.
Bernardo de La Paz
Yesterday
#43
And when the reports are especially bad, like the last 2 payroll jobs reports, and the May retail sales
progree
17 hrs ago
#67
Agreed - although I myself learned long ago that going through the mental contortions required to willfully
Midwestern Democrat
12 hrs ago
#68
Reporting it accurately in Trump's maladministration and you are fired.
travelingthrulife
Yesterday
#49
The reported GDP numbers are inflation-adjusted, that's why it's called "real GDP". The nominal dollar increase was a
progree
Thursday
#36
The reported GDP numbers are inflation-adjusted, that's why it's called "real GDP". The nominal dollar increase was 6.0%
progree
Thursday
#37
Thank you for the info. So, tariffs could, at least partly, be distorting the numbers.
Doodley
21 hrs ago
#64
A major reason for the increase is actually a quirk in how the GDP is calculated.
Wiz Imp
Thursday
#33
Instead of trafficking in conspiracy theories about how everything is "fake" (it's not)
Wiz Imp
Yesterday
#50
nice, cnn! way to spin "inflation was even higher than previously thought" as a positive thing.
unblock
Yesterday
#54
The "personal consumption expenditures price index" is reportedly the Fed's favorite inflation gauge
progree
22 hrs ago
#63
I don't believe it. Paper profits, at best, outright lying and statistics manipulation at worst. /nt
artemisia1
Yesterday
#60