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76. it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended

Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:30 AM

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a change of Russia leadership and Russians tired of a crap economy and bodies of their young soldiers coming back in body bags.

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Exclusive: Ukraine expected to give up land, some arms under US peace plan, sources say [View all] muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 OP

No shit! Ray Bruns Nov 19 #1

Why do I believe the unnamed sources have the initials DJT? Ray Bruns Nov 19 #2

Yup. sheshe2 Nov 19 #32

Putin must have some real nasty shit on Trump RazorbackExpat Friday #86

Diddling Donny can't stay out of Putin's pants. Safe as Milk Nov 19 #3

What if Putin's Bubba? BadgerMom Thursday #73

Ukraine doesn't have to anything the US says. It is a sovereign nation. NotHardly Nov 19 #4

Ukraine wants a security guarantee from the US. maxsolomon Nov 19 #15

Russia had an agreement with Ukraine and had agreed republianmushroom Nov 19 #21

Like many big powers they renege on their agreements...nt mitch96 Nov 19 #24

I think Ukraine is disinclined to accept security agreements, as the... LudwigPastorius Nov 19 #22

Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable. maxsolomon Nov 19 #23

Russia opposed Ukraine joining NATO because it would have blocked them from taking the land for the future pipelines. cstanleytech Nov 19 #33

Most of the NATO nations couldn't give a stuff what Russia wants. n/t Emrys Nov 19 #48

Russia invaded Donetsk precisely to stop NATO extending membership to Ukraine. maxsolomon Nov 19 #53

Russia's rationales for its invasion vary almost as windingly as a Trump diatribe. Emrys Nov 19 #61

Helpful post, maxsolomon Thursday #83

I can't immediately find a map of the situation in 2023, but if it helps, Emrys Thursday #84

Well, I hope your optimism is correct. maxsolomon Friday #85

Their last security guarantee when giving up nukes didn't hold up so well SamuelTheThird Nov 19 #26

Yes, I am aware. maxsolomon Nov 19 #28

Please research blue-wave Nov 19 #35

I don't need to research as I already knew about it. maxsolomon Nov 19 #37

I'm saying blue-wave Nov 19 #38

US security assurances are only as good as the word of the President karynnj Nov 19 #40

What would Russia get in the deal then? Polybius Nov 19 #59

What will Russia get? blue-wave Thursday #70

Ok, so the war doesn't end then n/t Polybius Thursday #75

it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended lapfog_1 Thursday #76

That could take years Polybius Thursday #77

then it will take years... lapfog_1 Thursday #78

Ukraine itself is offering Russia something Polybius Monday #89

And Russia has already rejected blue-wave Tuesday #90

This is misunderstood. Ukraine DID NOT receive Security Guarantees WarGamer Nov 19 #46

Correct. Emrys Nov 19 #49

Ukraine needs to be in NATO or have signed legal defense GUARANTEES from US, UK, Germany, Poland and France. WarGamer Nov 19 #50

Over the past few years, Ukraine has signed bilateral security agreements with a number of countries Emrys Nov 19 #62

The only agreement that would blue-wave Thursday #69

If you want to split hairs over the blue-wave Thursday #72

All I have to say is, I get spanked for asking a question but, gab13by13 Nov 19 #5

"linking this right wing talking point" - this is news, FFS muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 #6

Posting 2 unnamed sources for the article because of the sensitivity, gab13by13 Nov 19 #10

I don't think you understand what news is. muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 #14

Hopefully, Ukraine will say "fuck that shit" Fiendish Thingy Nov 19 #7

"give up land, some arms under US peace plan...... yea that ain't gonna happen.. nt mitch96 Nov 19 #25

FU, Putin and drumphf! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 19 #8

Again, like before, I say BULLSHIT!! bluestarone Nov 19 #9

Handing Putin victory from the abyss of defeat CanonRay Nov 19 #11

After all this, now Putin is allowed to take land from Ukraine just to go away and leave them alone FakeNoose Nov 19 #12

Wasn't this same plan rejected a few months ago? (nt) William Seger Nov 19 #13

The US should butt out and F*ck off. sinkingfeeling Nov 19 #16

There's absolutely no way. LudwigPastorius Nov 19 #17

trump kissing Putin ass. republianmushroom Nov 19 #18

Why should they give anything up? They didn't start the war. Putin should have to pay them to rebuild the country. Vinca Nov 19 #19

Rewarding Russia for its invasion? What a plan. Dave Bowman Nov 19 #20

Trump cannot stop blowing Pootie Skittles Nov 19 #27

Trust the Russians and any agreement they sign. republianmushroom Nov 19 #29

3 Words: Fuck That Shit! Nictuku Nov 19 #30

When will the world ever learn? blue-wave Nov 19 #31

I approve this plan......if it includes arrests and war crime trials for a number of Russians. cstanleytech Nov 19 #34

LOL, why wasn't such a deal worked out with Iraq and Kuwait? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 19 #36

US Security Guarantee Nasruddin Nov 19 #39

Nope. Not the right move. Russia go home and expletive you and your horse. twodogsbarking Nov 19 #41

And what weapons and territory will Russia give up in exchange? WestMichRad Nov 19 #42

Just say NO Bayard Nov 19 #43

Now the population of Crimea is mostly all Russian womanofthehills Friday #87

I'm betting if Crimea was returned to its rightful owner, Bayard Friday #88

Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia? slightlv Nov 19 #44

Budapest Memorandum 2 paulrevere2018 Nov 19 #45

F this "peace agreement." One sided BS. Drumpf has been in bed with Vlad for at least 9 years. Evolve Dammit Nov 19 #47

This pisses me off. AllyCat Nov 19 #51

As usual, Dump bends over for Putin mdbl Nov 19 #52

Russian attitude..what's mine is mine .what's yours is negotiable! Playingmantis Nov 19 #54

this is bullshit. ananda Nov 19 #55

Be quiet piggy! bronxiteforever Nov 19 #56

This all from Putin using his power over tramp 3825-87867 Nov 19 #57

Reuters, old and established as it is, hasn't been the most reliable source on developments in Ukraine in recent times Emrys Nov 19 #58

Be quiet piggy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 19 #60

Trump and Putin JPK Nov 19 #63

I hope Zelenskyy tells them to fuck off and Europe backs him ChicagoTeamster Nov 19 #64

x2 Sam I Yam Thursday #71

screw that SaydiTom Nov 19 #65

Bullshit plan designed to appease Putin. He'll take the win and keep going. Martin68 Nov 19 #66

What about that rare earth minerals deal trump wanted from Ukraine?? IcyPeas Nov 19 #67

Stick it up your asses, Trump and Putin. Efilroft Sul Nov 19 #68

Ukraine, Don't Do It! Can't trust US anymore Bread and Circuses Thursday #74

Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. no_hypocrisy Thursday #79

I'd say Krasnov's status a a Russian asset "bothers" America as much as his being an "alleged pedophile." Miles Archer Thursday #80

One word answer Botany Thursday #81

"would be" expected nuxvomica Thursday #82