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Ms. Toad

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68. That's the general basis for my personal concern with the skin and tissue substitutes
Sat Dec 27, 2025, 09:59 AM
4 hrs ago

I was in surgery about a week after my diagnosis (there were was an earlier surgery which removed most of the lump - because they believed it was benign). So the surgery was to remove the remnant of a very aggressive cancer, which had been doubling every 2-3 weeks. Turns out the most aggressive portion was the deepest (which hadn't been removed), so it needed to be out quickly. Even without knowing the portion remaining was the most aggressive, the surgeon was annoyed that I wasn't able to have it out more quickly.

I also had to have an MRI before the surgery to make sure there weren't any skip tumors nearby that just weren't palpable yet. (This particular cancer skips over healthy tissue - the 1 cm margin is because at that distance they get about 98% of any cells/newly established tumors which have jumped over healthy tissue into nearby tissue).

They initially insisted I would need to wait 10 days for pre-approval for an MRI before scheduling surgery (I was on employee insurance at the time). When pressed on the matter, after speaking with a few different departments, I learned that the Cleveland Clinic had the ability to do their own pre-authorization for MRIs. So that wait disappeared.

Because the wound left was about 5" in diameter, and they needed to be positive they had not only all of the tumor, but a cm of cancer-free tissue around the tumor, it couldn't be permanently closed until after a 2-3 week period for pathological examination. Pre-authorization was not required for the skin substitute - BUT - it was denied by the insurance company after the fact (and approved on appeal a month or two later). The surgeon would not have done the surgery without a skin substitute for that period of time. Since it was denied after the fact, I have no reason to believe there would be any different result had the review been done in advance, or by a Medicare AI-bot, rather than a private insurance review. That would have imposed an even longer wait period prior to surgery.

My theoretical position about this new imposition wouldn't have been very different - but my personal experience with pre-authorization (generally) and with one of the products in this list gives me a very personal reason to be angry about it.

My diagnosis was 5 years and 22 days ago. I've been NED (no evidence of disease) for 5 years and 13 days. In about a week, I get to drop from semi-annual surveillance to check for lung metastasis to biannual surveillance for the next decade or so. (With this disease, the frequency of checks start at quarterly, then drop to semi-annual, then (usually) to annual for the rest of my life. In my case, I found the tumor early, so my doctor believes the chance of late metastasis will be near zero after 15 years of surveillance.



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That should still be okay. Igel 23 hrs ago #17
Right? LittleGirl 21 hrs ago #41
Exactly. SergeStorms 21 hrs ago #42
Had that one too Bayard 15 hrs ago #59
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That's what made Mother Theresa druidity33 23 hrs ago #21
How about a pilot program Henry203 Yesterday #2
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Advantage plans are private insurance, and they should be banned from using " Medicare" in their name. OMGWTF 23 hrs ago #18
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Alternative Medical Services. cstanleytech 16 hrs ago #57
They are literally Medicare plans, Authorized under the Medicare Part C statutes Ms. Toad 22 hrs ago #31
The person you're replying to said Advantage plans should not have been allowed as Medicare plans. pnwmom 11 hrs ago #63
No. They said they should be banned from using "Medicare" in their names. Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #69
Ban "Medicare" from their name ENTIRELY Seinan Sensei 22 hrs ago #34
huh? Skittles 18 hrs ago #54
I should have said upcoding Henry203 18 hrs ago #55
AI prior authorization approval is already a relatively common practice anciano Yesterday #5
And it needs legislatively banned. benfranklin1776 22 hrs ago #27
Not just the Ai part of it, but the outside authorization mahina 22 hrs ago #32
Agreed! benfranklin1776 15 hrs ago #60
But one of the main reasons to choose standard Medicare over a Medicare Advantage plan is to minimize a third party Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #38
"Healthcare" is an umbrella term that encompasses anciano 21 hrs ago #39
Healthcare is distinct from how that care is paid for. Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #44
So? People pay MORE to join Traditional Medicare so that they can choose their own doctors pnwmom 19 hrs ago #48
No LtTx 18 hrs ago #53
Yes, they do, in order to get Parts A and B, which covers both hospitalization pnwmom 18 hrs ago #56
And yet the govt is clamping down on prior authorization in Advantage plans pnwmom 11 hrs ago #64
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neck surgeries, knee surgeries, incontinence control, pain relief -- how very cruel, how very predictable 0rganism 23 hrs ago #9
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We have to move to Medicare for all and cover everything. ChicagoTeamster 23 hrs ago #13
Our doc told us pre-approval is needed for what was our usual blood test AverageOldGuy 23 hrs ago #14
If you are no standard medicare, your doctor is wrong. Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #36
Under an Advantage plan with an HMO dickthegrouch 23 hrs ago #15
But this experiment is being done with Traditional Medicare patients, which doesn't require prior authorization. pnwmom 19 hrs ago #49
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AI "death panels"..... SergeStorms 21 hrs ago #43
But private companies WILL provide the AI services performing prior authorizations for Traditional Medicare. pnwmom 9 hrs ago #66
The whole reason Iʻm paying extra for supplemental ins is to keep the imperfect gem, traditional medicare, where mahina 23 hrs ago #19
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This part caught my eye. ShazzieB 23 hrs ago #23
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At best, it will delay treatment. Treatment delayed is treatment denied. SunSeeker 21 hrs ago #37
It is not just AI needs to be destroyed - but the insertion of third party judgment (of any kind) Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #40
I expect this is being pilot-tested to eventually become a permanent change (with more procedures needing prepproval) BumRushDaShow 20 hrs ago #45
I agree. Ms. Toad 20 hrs ago #47
I know for those of us feds who planned to maintain their FEHB insurance plans when Medicare-eligible BumRushDaShow 18 hrs ago #51
When I had a cancer diagnosis, I was in surgery 2 days after getting the diagnosis, pnwmom 11 hrs ago #65
That's the general basis for my personal concern with the skin and tissue substitutes Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #68
The U.S. is the only modern nation without a universal tax supported health care system for all their citizens. It makes ShazamIam 18 hrs ago #52
WHY?? travelingthrulife 5 hrs ago #67
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