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91. When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 03:43 PM
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If the administration intends to investigate Democratic veterans in Congress, it should prepare equal treatment for members of the White House Cabinet.

In prior remarks, Hegseth and Bondi also said troops must disobey illegal orders - MS NOW

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CNN reported last week, for example, that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who’s helped advance the partisan offensive against the Democratic veterans, delivered remarks in 2016 explaining that U.S. military personnel “won’t follow unlawful orders from their commander in chief” and described the refusal of illegal commands as a part of the military’s ethos and standards.

CNN also found that, as Election Day 2016 drew closer, the former Fox News host told viewers that service members are “not going to follow illegal orders.”

That is to say, eight years ago, the future Pentagon chief delivered the same message he and Trump are now condemning.

Evidently, Hegseth is not alone. The New York Times reported:

Pam Bondi, the attorney general, said the same thing as the [Democratic] lawmakers last year in a friend-of-the-court brief in the Supreme Court as a lawyer for the America First Policy Institute, a conservative think tank that represented three former military leaders.


In the legal brief, which is available online through the high court’s website, Bondi wrote, “Military officers are required not to carry out unlawful orders.” The Florida Republican added, “The military would not carry out a patently unlawful order from the president to kill nonmilitary targets. Indeed, service members are required not to do so.”

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the Trump administration won’t launch sedition investigations into the incumbent president’s defense secretary and attorney general, but if officials continue to pursue Democratic veterans in Congress, they should probably prepare an answer to a straightforward question: “Why aren’t you also pursuing cases against the president’s defense secretary and attorney general?”

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The "We can do anything you can't stop us from doing" clause. Turbineguy Monday #1
Yes, because as spoiled children they never learned about rules. Were all our leaders the "Golden Child" growing up? LiberalArkie Monday #3
Sue their arses off NotHardly Monday #47
Can any court stop it? Until it reaches the supreme, that is question everything Monday #2
What is this thing called "Court"? LiberalArkie Monday #5
Any Federal court can halt this pending an appeal by Sen. Kelly, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #6
Thanks. I also think that he has a pension as an astronaut, no? question everything Monday #7
I'm not sure about that, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #8
And since the amount of the pensin soldierant Tuesday #113
If he was active duty while an astronaut it should be part of his Navy pension. Irish_Dem Monday #12
CAPT Kelly was a military officer detailed to NASA. He was never a NASA employee in the civil service. This action is 24601 Tuesday #117
The most deserved grade reduction I ever heard about COL Mustard Monday #22
Plus, as a Senator, he has at least a couple layers of immunity. Hassin Bin Sober Monday #26
His name is James Grazioplene jmowreader Monday #51
Yes, that's the one COL Mustard Monday #68
I never had the displeasure of dealing with him, probably because he was a tanker... jmowreader Monday #72
When were you at FSB? A good friend of mine was there in the early 1970s. COL Mustard Monday #82
Veterans Day 1986 to April 1992 jmowreader Monday #88
That would have been a fantastic time to be there! COL Mustard Monday #96
Wonder which court would take this lawsuit? bluestarone Monday #65
Or, maybe you know, could it be: MarineCombatEngineer Monday #69
It will go where's it's filed by. Most likely DC. No reason it shouldn't be DC Hassin Bin Sober Monday #110
didn;t this need a court martial or at least art 15? rampartd Monday #97
Thank you orangecrush Monday #102
Yeah, that will be a law suit the Pentagon won't win. Plus just looks petty which is the Trump admin to a tee. dutch777 Monday #4
Once again... ScratchCat Monday #9
100% vapor2 Monday #35
Seriously!!! yellow dahlia Monday #71
Kelly serves on the Armed Services Committee, and the Select Committee on Intelligence... Grins Monday #10
As the reputation of the US Military takes a hit. ... littlemissmartypants Monday #11
Show me the charging documents. Grins Monday #13
How well versed are you on the UCMJ? Officers resign commision, they aren't discharged (honorably). marble falls Monday #41
The military will start to turn against Trump. Irish_Dem Monday #14
So far, the military have been Diddling Donny's patsies. Safe as Milk Monday #45
I know, the military is up his ass now. Irish_Dem Monday #58
That would be great, if they did. yellow dahlia Monday #73
Right now they are up Trump's ass. Irish_Dem Monday #76
kellly should sue kegsbreath personally moonshinegnomie Monday #15
These nasty bastards will continue until the American voters stop them. walkingman Monday #16
Yeah, well.. whathehell Monday #46
What about the other Senators who made the same statement? Were they not all military veterans? Midnight Writer Monday #17
The other lawmakers either never retired from service or come from intelligence agencies outside the UCMJ's reach chowder66 Monday #19
Thanks. Midnight Writer Monday #20
I looked it up before I saw your post. Glad I could share what I learned. chowder66 Monday #24
That is my question, too. Deuxcents Monday #21
I posted an answer to the question above. chowder66 Monday #25
They will lose in court malaise Monday #18
Suing the military is a tricky business. ... marble falls Monday #31
The problem is this ScratchCat Monday #48
One of the first things I signed when enlisting was a waiver to my access to the Bill of Rights. The very next ... marble falls Monday #55
Two points in your post LogDog75 Monday #78
I signed those in the Cleveland Federal Building on Feb 3, 1972. It was a shock when I got them. It still is with me. .. marble falls Monday #81
I, too, stand by what I wrote LogDog75 Monday #105
Courts have recognized free speech rights are curtailed madville Monday #92
The military member is responsible for their actions LogDog75 Monday #107
Kelly earned every penny of that, and his rank. babylonsister Monday #23
He was literally just restating the military code! nt SunSeeker Monday #44
This will not stand. Hogsbreath is turning the Pentagon into a chicken shit outfit. ... marble falls Monday #27
Will Flynn be next? SheltieLover Monday #28
and his active dip shit brother Historic NY Monday #60
Oh yes. I'd forgotten about him SheltieLover Monday #61
Give me a fucking break, that's absolute nonsense. 🤬 Dave Bowman Monday #29
Childish nonsense at that! marble falls Monday #38
What bullshit. TickTock, HogsBreath. Joinfortmill Monday #30
This is such bullshit. 3catwoman3 Monday #32
What a punk odins folly Monday #33
You mean like the January 6, 2020 Insurrection? LogDog75 Monday #108
Correct odins folly Monday #109
Sue the crap out of hegsbreath vapor2 Monday #34
I first read that as: "Slap the crap out of hogsbreath". As a dyslexic, I'm up for either! marble falls Monday #36
Hegseth says Sen. Mark Kelly will receive administrative punishment for video about lawful orders LetMyPeopleVote Monday #37
Just because he says he is going to do it doesn't mean he can or will. I am pretty Bev54 Monday #39
So, we have a decorated, retired Navy captain AND former astronaut losing his retirement pay? hamsterjill Monday #40
And combat veteran at that. MarineCombatEngineer Monday #49
I'm sure it'll help recruiters bunches. littlemissmartypants Monday #70
Recruit?? Traildogbob Monday #86
Don't they still have recruiters? littlemissmartypants Monday #89
They do Traildogbob Monday #90
I think I remember Codifer Monday #93
College football was plastered with Traildogbob Monday #94
Roger that, Tdb! Thanks ❤️ littlemissmartypants Monday #111
🤜🏼🤛🏼 Traildogbob Monday #112
Memo to Pete Hogsbreath AverageOldGuy Monday #42
Ret. USMC here, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #50
FIGHT BACK AGAINST THESE TRUMP CRIMINALS! democrank Monday #43
Turn you angst into..... MarcoZandrini Monday #83
Thanks for the tip, MarcoZandrini. democrank Monday #100
I feel bad for him and his family FredGarvin Monday #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #53
At least no limit to what and how they've tried to subvert. marble falls Monday #57
Statement from Senator Kellly LetMyPeopleVote Monday #54
Well, since there is no such thing as the Department of War, it has little lasting effect. sinkingfeeling Monday #56
Punishment for telling servicemembers that they should always make sure to follow the law. Mister Ed Monday #59
Kegsbreath isn't qualified to hand-wash Kelly's jockstrap. NBachers Monday #62
and yet we did nothing to the traitorous general when we were in power samsingh Monday #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Zenlitened Monday #75
What an asshole.nt jfz9580m Monday #64
If this does go to court... Pluvious Monday #66
It's "seditious" and "reckless conduct" to reaffirm the US Code of Military Justice?? Martin Eden Monday #67
It isn't seditious or reckless, that's why Mark Kelly should fight this in court ... he'll win for sure FakeNoose Monday #84
It would be a military court Martin Eden Monday #104
"Department of WAR" - courtesy of B.See Monday #74
Flag officers and other high-ranking officers and civilians must be very disappointed to have to toe the line to this mi Norrrm Monday #77
D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G Faux pas Monday #79
I think Senator Kelly will win this battle LogDog75 Monday #80
Another item for the list of things to to when the Democrats are in charge again. Buddyzbuddy Monday #85
OK Pete we will remember that is an option for once you are out of your position IbogaProject Monday #87
When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi LetMyPeopleVote Monday #91
Hogsbreath sucks... GiqueCee Monday #95
I prefer Kegsbreath, but otherwise, yeah.... sickening LymphocyteLover Monday #98
This just sucks. Talk about "weaponization of government". I thought DOD might be above that. I was wrong. Evolve Dammit Monday #99
FUCK YOU DRUNKEN ASSHOLE orangecrush Monday #101
Almost seems like Russia has taken over our government thought crime Monday #103
Sounds like a lawsuit to me. mdbl Monday #106
The Senators and Representaives ahould read the UCMJ text into the Congressional Record. rickford66 Tuesday #114
If There Is An Actual Letter OhioTim Tuesday #115
Title of OP is not the same as the actual title of the article posted at the CNN website. Emile Tuesday #116
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