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In reply to the discussion: Pentagon cuts Sen. Mark Kelly's military retirement pay as punishment over 'illegal orders' video By Zachary Cohen 4 MI [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(175,175 posts)91. When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi
If the administration intends to investigate Democratic veterans in Congress, it should prepare equal treatment for members of the White House Cabinet.
In prior remarks, Hegseth and Bondi also said troops must disobey illegal orders - MS NOW
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CNN reported last week, for example, that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, whos helped advance the partisan offensive against the Democratic veterans, delivered remarks in 2016 explaining that U.S. military personnel wont follow unlawful orders from their commander in chief and described the refusal of illegal commands as a part of the militarys ethos and standards.
CNN also found that, as Election Day 2016 drew closer, the former Fox News host told viewers that service members are not going to follow illegal orders.
That is to say, eight years ago, the future Pentagon chief delivered the same message he and Trump are now condemning.
Evidently, Hegseth is not alone. The New York Times reported:
In the legal brief, which is available online through the high courts website, Bondi wrote, Military officers are required not to carry out unlawful orders. The Florida Republican added, The military would not carry out a patently unlawful order from the president to kill nonmilitary targets. Indeed, service members are required not to do so.
Im going to go out on a limb and say that the Trump administration wont launch sedition investigations into the incumbent presidents defense secretary and attorney general, but if officials continue to pursue Democratic veterans in Congress, they should probably prepare an answer to a straightforward question: Why arent you also pursuing cases against the presidents defense secretary and attorney general?
CNN also found that, as Election Day 2016 drew closer, the former Fox News host told viewers that service members are not going to follow illegal orders.
That is to say, eight years ago, the future Pentagon chief delivered the same message he and Trump are now condemning.
Evidently, Hegseth is not alone. The New York Times reported:
Pam Bondi, the attorney general, said the same thing as the [Democratic] lawmakers last year in a friend-of-the-court brief in the Supreme Court as a lawyer for the America First Policy Institute, a conservative think tank that represented three former military leaders.
In the legal brief, which is available online through the high courts website, Bondi wrote, Military officers are required not to carry out unlawful orders. The Florida Republican added, The military would not carry out a patently unlawful order from the president to kill nonmilitary targets. Indeed, service members are required not to do so.
Im going to go out on a limb and say that the Trump administration wont launch sedition investigations into the incumbent presidents defense secretary and attorney general, but if officials continue to pursue Democratic veterans in Congress, they should probably prepare an answer to a straightforward question: Why arent you also pursuing cases against the presidents defense secretary and attorney general?
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Pentagon cuts Sen. Mark Kelly's military retirement pay as punishment over 'illegal orders' video By Zachary Cohen 4 MI [View all]
LiberalArkie
Monday
OP
Yes, because as spoiled children they never learned about rules. Were all our leaders the "Golden Child" growing up?
LiberalArkie
Monday
#3
If he was active duty while an astronaut it should be part of his Navy pension.
Irish_Dem
Monday
#12
CAPT Kelly was a military officer detailed to NASA. He was never a NASA employee in the civil service. This action is
24601
Tuesday
#117
I never had the displeasure of dealing with him, probably because he was a tanker...
jmowreader
Monday
#72
It will go where's it's filed by. Most likely DC. No reason it shouldn't be DC
Hassin Bin Sober
Monday
#110
Yeah, that will be a law suit the Pentagon won't win. Plus just looks petty which is the Trump admin to a tee.
dutch777
Monday
#4
Kelly serves on the Armed Services Committee, and the Select Committee on Intelligence...
Grins
Monday
#10
How well versed are you on the UCMJ? Officers resign commision, they aren't discharged (honorably).
marble falls
Monday
#41
What about the other Senators who made the same statement? Were they not all military veterans?
Midnight Writer
Monday
#17
The other lawmakers either never retired from service or come from intelligence agencies outside the UCMJ's reach
chowder66
Monday
#19
One of the first things I signed when enlisting was a waiver to my access to the Bill of Rights. The very next ...
marble falls
Monday
#55
I signed those in the Cleveland Federal Building on Feb 3, 1972. It was a shock when I got them. It still is with me. ..
marble falls
Monday
#81
This will not stand. Hogsbreath is turning the Pentagon into a chicken shit outfit. ...
marble falls
Monday
#27
I first read that as: "Slap the crap out of hogsbreath". As a dyslexic, I'm up for either!
marble falls
Monday
#36
Hegseth says Sen. Mark Kelly will receive administrative punishment for video about lawful orders
LetMyPeopleVote
Monday
#37
So, we have a decorated, retired Navy captain AND former astronaut losing his retirement pay?
hamsterjill
Monday
#40
Well, since there is no such thing as the Department of War, it has little lasting effect.
sinkingfeeling
Monday
#56
Punishment for telling servicemembers that they should always make sure to follow the law.
Mister Ed
Monday
#59
It's "seditious" and "reckless conduct" to reaffirm the US Code of Military Justice??
Martin Eden
Monday
#67
It isn't seditious or reckless, that's why Mark Kelly should fight this in court ... he'll win for sure
FakeNoose
Monday
#84
Flag officers and other high-ranking officers and civilians must be very disappointed to have to toe the line to this mi
Norrrm
Monday
#77
Another item for the list of things to to when the Democrats are in charge again.
Buddyzbuddy
Monday
#85
OK Pete we will remember that is an option for once you are out of your position
IbogaProject
Monday
#87
When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi
LetMyPeopleVote
Monday
#91
This just sucks. Talk about "weaponization of government". I thought DOD might be above that. I was wrong.
Evolve Dammit
Monday
#99
The Senators and Representaives ahould read the UCMJ text into the Congressional Record.
rickford66
Tuesday
#114