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In reply to the discussion: Bandcamp has banned all music made with AI [View all]highplainsdem
(61,057 posts)20. No. That's not true, and they don't claim copyright. See this:
https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2746945
IMO it's pure bullshit that Suno, or the Suno user, own what's spat out by their plagiarism machine, because it produces anything resembling music only because they sto!e all the copyrighted music they could steal, AND all the text they could steal describing that music - reviews, articles and books about the music they stole - because that's the only way their mindless machine can link the prompt the AI users give it to anything resembling the type of music they're ordering, in a way that's no more artistic than ordering a pizza.
But if you sign the agreement with Suno that's described on that page, and you've paid for one of their plans, they won't try to sue you for monetizing fake music neither you nor they created, whereas they will block or sue you if you haven't paid them.
Btw, the last time I looked at Suno's complete TOS, it included a clause admitting that they can't guarantee their plagiarism machine won't spit out the same song for you that it spat out for someone else. They're not really in control of what it spits out, any more than the AI user is.
They're nothing but thieves. And AI users aren't artists. They're people who don't mind taking advantage of theft to pretend they have knowledge and skills they don't have.
What generative AI does best is fraud.
Copyrights are complex, and vary by region! To ensure you have the most up-to-date information, we suggest reaching your local copyright office before applying.
It is important to know there is a difference between ownership and copyrights. It is often said that if you come up with something on your own, you automatically assume the rights to it. In music, there are several other factors that help determine rights beyond ownership.
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In the US, copyright laws protect material created by a human. Music made 100% with AI would not qualify for copyright protection because a human did not write the lyrics or the music. Writing the prompt does not constitute the creation of the song.
If you wrote the lyrics for your song(s), you own those lyrics. Most copyright offices will allow you to register those lyrics on their own, and you may be able to use those lyrics to register your whole song as well. Some regions/registrars may recognize you as the writer of the song and Suno as an instrument to help you create the song. If this happens, the song will likely be eligible for copyright protection.
It is important to know there is a difference between ownership and copyrights. It is often said that if you come up with something on your own, you automatically assume the rights to it. In music, there are several other factors that help determine rights beyond ownership.
-snip-
In the US, copyright laws protect material created by a human. Music made 100% with AI would not qualify for copyright protection because a human did not write the lyrics or the music. Writing the prompt does not constitute the creation of the song.
If you wrote the lyrics for your song(s), you own those lyrics. Most copyright offices will allow you to register those lyrics on their own, and you may be able to use those lyrics to register your whole song as well. Some regions/registrars may recognize you as the writer of the song and Suno as an instrument to help you create the song. If this happens, the song will likely be eligible for copyright protection.
IMO it's pure bullshit that Suno, or the Suno user, own what's spat out by their plagiarism machine, because it produces anything resembling music only because they sto!e all the copyrighted music they could steal, AND all the text they could steal describing that music - reviews, articles and books about the music they stole - because that's the only way their mindless machine can link the prompt the AI users give it to anything resembling the type of music they're ordering, in a way that's no more artistic than ordering a pizza.
But if you sign the agreement with Suno that's described on that page, and you've paid for one of their plans, they won't try to sue you for monetizing fake music neither you nor they created, whereas they will block or sue you if you haven't paid them.
Btw, the last time I looked at Suno's complete TOS, it included a clause admitting that they can't guarantee their plagiarism machine won't spit out the same song for you that it spat out for someone else. They're not really in control of what it spits out, any more than the AI user is.
They're nothing but thieves. And AI users aren't artists. They're people who don't mind taking advantage of theft to pretend they have knowledge and skills they don't have.
What generative AI does best is fraud.
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Because those tools are trained illegally on stolen intellectual property, any use of them is unethical
highplainsdem
Jan 14
#3
And btw, what you wrote about AI being used at all levels of the music industry "for a long time" is wrong and
highplainsdem
Jan 14
#4
I don't believe that AI music taking over is inevitable - that's propaganda from the AI companies. And
highplainsdem
Jan 15
#11
No ethical person should be using generative AI, period, for anything, unless forced to do so by a
highplainsdem
Jan 17
#21
Spotify makes more money from AI-generated music. It can't be copyrighted, so they don't have to
highplainsdem
Jan 15
#14