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In reply to the discussion: Department of Homeland Security warns of potential attacks amid Iran operation [View all]hamsterjill
(17,428 posts)Our fundamental difference is, however, that I have no inclination whatsoever that they will try to take any guns. They already know that's going to be a losing proposition. It's going to come down to who decides that they are going to take up guns, and in that situation, MAGA's have more guns and more importantly more ammunition - at least in my area of the world. MAGA's have less of a conscience, too, and they are easily manipulated.
All I really know about is Texas. I've never lived anywhere else. So, I'll talk about Texas here.
So, let's say that Trump cancels the election. The first step isn't going to be for normal citizens to immediately take to the streets and start shooting people. It will take some time. Yes, I think we would see plenty of protestors and violence, and ICE, National Guard and in my own case, local police would be trying to quell those protests because the local police are definitely ALL MAGA. They have the law on their side (or at least they'd still be insisting that they do, just like ICE does now) and they'd be using whatever force they need in order to get rid of any opposition.
People would be arrested at the protests, or else killed. Any arrested would be housed in the detention centers that are being prepared. The violence would be used to convince all of the MAGA's that the protestors are coming for them next, and the MAGA's would take up the fight. Ala - 'you better lock your doors because these paid protestors are coming after you next!"
Congress isn't going to do anything, obviously, and the Supreme Court isn't going to do anything - so WHO IS???? You think Greg Abbott is going to stand up to Trump? Pfffft! You think Gavin Newsom can invade Texas and save a red state??? I mean, what exactly do you think we could count on? Who's going to make sure that we have an election if Trump says we aren't? And who's going to make sure it's a fair election?
Texas may be a "minority majority", but it always has been. The minorities voted for Trump last time. They (as a whole because individuals differ, obviously) have been convinced that their very bread and butter depends on it because many of them listen to their rich bosses and vote accordingly. They are made to fear for their jobs and being able to provide for their families. Texas is not logical and data driven. They want you to THINK that it is, but it isn't. It is very muchly ruled by the "ruling class". We don't have big unions down here defending someone who flips Trump the bird.
As an example, the Republicans desperately want Crockett to win the nomination because they KNOW that most of the people in Texas - minority or not - are NOT going to vote for a Black woman. Now, that's not me, so don't start accusing me of racism. But that IS how things work down here. You can get these people all riled up all that you want, and you can show me poll after poll after poll. But I would believe it only if it were to happen and it's not going to. The safe route (think what you will) is for Talarico to win and keep the excitement going through the General and HOPE that the Crockett voters understanding things well enough to all come out and support him. Again - not my thinking; just the reality that IS Texas.
I don't know about your BIL's brother having lived in Texas. But I was born here and I've lived here my whole considerable years. Texas IS ground zero for the Trump dictatorship. It's their proving ground, etc. It's been their way of testing the waters to see what works and how much they can get away with. The path to where we are now has been being placed piece by piece for the last forty years. It is NOT going to be that easy to stop it at this point.
Now, my purpose is not to bust your chops. So if you have any insight into making me feel more hopeful about what could save us from Trump, I would love to hear it. I desperately want to have some real hope but I don't want to have false hopes. Blue states could, I would hope, expect a better outcome. But then Greg Abbott will just invade them one at a time, and here we'll go. So, bottom line is who would stop Trump if he decides to call off an election?