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NNadir

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49. "Organic" farming played a huge role in causing the US Civil War.
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:14 PM
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The abandonment of "organic farming" allowed the First World War to go on as long as it did.

In the first case, cotton is a crop that rapidly depletes soil of fixed nitrogen. In 1860 Lincoln was decidedly not an abolitionist. He merely claimed the right to limit slavery to where it existed. Chemical understanding was nearly nonexistent in the 19th century, and while people understood the value of things like manure, they certainly did not understand why manure worked nor did they have enough to around. Therefore, the survival of the cotton industry needed to expand to new lands to survive, and with it, human slavery.

As chemical understanding came to be developed by the early 20th century and people understood that fixed nitrogen, salt peter, was in fact fixed nitrogen, mines provided the initial means of preventing soil depletion, most in modern day Chile.

Salt peter, potassium nitrate, is also a component of gunpowder. One couldn't have a long war without it. This is why a British blockade of Germany was a serious threat to the German war industry.

In the early 20th century, the German chemist Fritz Haber (who was Jewish), working with the chemical engineer, Karl Bosch, developed the first industrial scalable process for nitrogen fixation, the Haber Bosch process, which allowed Germany to make both fertilizer and gunpowder. The Haber Bosch process which relies for now on dangerous fossil fuels, originally and still in some places, coal, to make hydrogen, is behind the ability to feed seven or eight billion people on this planet. Without the process more than half the world's population would be consigned to starvation.

This is a fact.

A more serious issue is connected with phosphorus which is still obtained by mining. It is an sword of Damocles hanging over the future of humanity, seldom discussed but very real.

The Haber Bosch process played a huge role in the US raprochment between "red" China and the United States. The Chinese communist government hated the US as much as we hated them. However, the Chinese knew that they would have great difficulty avoiding more famine without American Haber Bosch technology and so they agreed to meet with Nixon. This is a subtext that is not widely known.

This issue, the importance of nitrogen fixation and its roles in world history is covered in Vaclav Smil's book Enriching the Earth which is now more than two decades old is still very much worth a read.

One of the first catalysts that Haber found to be workable, was interestingly, uranium, but he didn't pursue it because he thought it too rare. (We now understand it is common.) Modern Haber Bosch catalysts are either based on iron or molybdenum. The latter metal is utilized in natural biological nitrogen fixation as a metalloprotein, which, while it works, works too slowly to support the world food supply via crop rotation.

I hope this answers your question.

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Trump doesn't understand farming, he doesn't care about it Walleye Tuesday #1
He only cares about his bank account and power. Irish_Dem Tuesday #26
He knows all he needs to know: AleksS Tuesday #55
This is what you voted for MAGA farmer! Enjoy the inflation. Multichromatic Tuesday #2
Just like clockwork, murielm99 Tuesday #9
He said MAGA farmers. travelingthrulife Tuesday #19
Where are liberal farmers located in the US? Irish_Dem Tuesday #27
Most farmers and ranchers in Texas do not like environmental regulations and walkingman Tuesday #53
so, they are big giant fucking hypocrites Skittles Tuesday #58
There are five of Democrats right on my road. murielm99 Yesterday #59
I have been campaigning for Dems for 60 years. Irish_Dem Yesterday #61
Then why did you bother to answer me? murielm99 Yesterday #62
Problem is Big Ag. multigraincracker Tuesday #30
The problem is... littlemissmartypants Tuesday #39
My dad was professor of Animal Science. multigraincracker Tuesday #42
It was used by farmers milking about multigraincracker Tuesday #43
So ... 95% are family farms. What percentage of PRODUCTION is due to family farms ? What percentage of $$$$ ? eppur_se_muova Tuesday #50
I come from rural Kansas and grew up on a farm. Orange Buffoon Tuesday #38
Be a uniter, not a divider. littlemissmartypants Tuesday #40
Then work at making some changes. murielm99 Yesterday #60
murielm99 - Like the other post said... Multichromatic Yesterday #63
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We will ALL reap the consequences radical noodle Tuesday #14
There's a bumper sticker I see around here: No farmers, no food. NNadir Tuesday #18
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It is such a pity in so many cases that breathing is an autonomic functiion. niyad Tuesday #7
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Assuming we have free elections in 2026 and 2028 and afterwards Vogon_Glory Tuesday #12
Urea? Dang :( mwooldri Tuesday #13
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Well, this sure is an overly negative take on the situation. markodochartaigh Tuesday #17
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It's now a house of cards. multigraincracker Tuesday #31
Maybe we should give the medal of honor to Democratic farmers that live in red areas Playingmantis Tuesday #23
I'm still dumbfounded at how many farmers, particularily soybean farmers who voted for Trump AGAIN in '24. This after Fil1957 Tuesday #24
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So very true. niyad Tuesday #33
Regenerative, organic farming, anyone? Do you think it will occur to ANY niyad Tuesday #34
"Organic" farming played a huge role in causing the US Civil War. NNadir Tuesday #49
Where I grew up they would say "don't bet the farm on it". Had they never heard that? twodogsbarking Tuesday #35
But the price of eggs!! flashman13 Tuesday #41
Wonder how long it will take before we don't have any produce, milk or meat available? mdbl Tuesday #45
I'll just have to see if my usual grocery chain will deliver apple juice next time nitpicked Tuesday #54
I'll bet THAT wasn't on their bingo cards. QueerDuck Tuesday #47
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Oh, man, if only there had been some evidence and examples of this sort of bad stuff RockRaven Tuesday #51
And trump and his trolls will blame everything and everyone Torchlight Tuesday #52
No cash, no fertilizer, no soybean markets Hassler Tuesday #56
There's an endless supply of free fertilizer..... SergeStorms Tuesday #57
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