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Cirsium

(4,196 posts)
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Wed Jun 10, 2026, 07:35 PM
Wednesday

I used Google heavily for more than 25 years. I used it well enough to take advantage of AdSense in its early days, so I'm not speaking as a casual user. My experience has been that I used to be able to find obscure information quickly. Now I have to wade through optimized content and sponsored results. Queries that once yielded specific pages now return generic high-authority sites while small independent sites are harder to locate. The amount of irrelevant material has increased, so more time and effort is required to achieve the same result.

That's the subjective part of my answer.

I'm not claiming that my experience proves the case, of course not. I'm saying that my experience led me to suspect that something had changed. The experience is subjective. The underlying question—whether Google Search became less effective at helping users find relevant information efficiently—is objective and testable.

But the broader question isn't subjective. Researchers have documented the rise of SEO-driven content, Google has spent more than a decade issuing updates aimed at combating low-quality and manipulative results, and the search results page itself has evolved from "ten blue links" into a far more commercial and feature-heavy interface. Whether search has become less efficient at helping users find relevant information is an empirical question. My experience suggests the answer is yes.

Search results became increasingly optimized for Google rather than users. This isn't controversial. It's one of the defining developments of the modern web. SEO evolved from helping sites be discoverable into an enormous industry devoted to understanding and exploiting Google's ranking incentives. Researchers have documented this repeatedly.

A recent longitudinal study found that highly ranked pages tended to be more heavily optimized but often judged to be lower quality, concluding that SEO can work against users' perceptions of expertise and quality.

Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of SEO Spam in Search Engines
https://downloads.webis.de/publications/papers/bevendorff_2024a.pdf

Google itself recognized the problem. The entire history of Google's major updates tells this story.

• Panda (2011) targeted "content farms."
• Penguin (2012) targeted manipulative linking.
• Helpful Content updates targeted low-value content.
• March 2024 updates explicitly claimed they would reduce "low-quality, unoriginal content."

Google has spent over a decade trying to undo problems created by incentives within its own ecosystem.

Google Changes Search Algorithm to Oust Content Farms
https://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-content/google-changes-search-algorithm-to-oust-content-farms-010325.php

The search results page itself changed dramatically. Google used to be "ten blue links." Academic analyses of archived search pages show that the results page evolved into something much more complex: ads, featured snippets, shopping modules, maps, knowledge panels, direct answers, Google-owned verticals, AI summaries.

Researchers describe modern search results pages as "feature-full" interfaces that increasingly provide answers directly rather than simply pointing users to external sites.

The Evolution of Web Search User Interfaces -- An Archaeological Analysis of Google Search Engine Result Pages
https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.08613

There is evidence that many users perceive declining quality. Even major newspapers have covered it. The Guardian summarized the debate this way:

"Critics argue that Google increasingly surfaces spam, clutter, and commercially motivated content, while struggling to combat SEO-driven degradation." Importantly, the article also notes that measuring search quality is difficult because results are personalized and constantly changing.

‘Google says I’m a dead physicist’: is the world’s biggest search engine broken?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/20/google-is-the-worlds-biggest-search-engine-broken

The irony is that trying to use Google Search to find objective evidence that Google Search has become worse turns out to be harder than it should be. Twenty years ago, that sentence would have sounded absurd. Today, many people immediately understand what it means.

Google Medical Update: Why Is the Search Engine Decreasing Visibility of Health and Medical Information Websites?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7068473/

Is Google making search worse to sell more ads?
https://journalrecord.com/2025/02/20/is-google-making-search-worse-to-sell-more-ads/

The Continuous Log of Google Search Changes
https://uberall.com/en-us/resources/blog/the-continuous-log-of-google-search-changes

How Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Grew from Nascent Stages to AI
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378633575_How_Search_Engine_Optimization_SEO_Grew_from_Nascent_Stages_to_AI

Study Shows Decline in Google Search Quality and Reveals Path for Generative AI Adoption
https://synthedia.substack.com/p/study-shows-decline-in-google-search

That is the objective part of my answer.

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Wow, this is a great ruling. I hope it holds! SunSeeker Wednesday #1
Outside of the issue of defamatory statements... reACTIONary Wednesday #2
You can find them useful. Doesn't change the fact that AI isn't necessary for the task, which these companies are all Karasu Wednesday #4
Nobody is forcing users to use AI.... reACTIONary Wednesday #13
Um..yes, they are. "Scrolling down" doesn't change that. Companies forcing the use of AI goes MUCH farther than simple Karasu Wednesday #17
Unless you check everything in the AI overview - every alleged fact, every quote, every source - you highplainsdem Wednesday #5
It's not really that hard to check it out.... reACTIONary Wednesday #12
LOL! In other words, you don't check. And it sounds as if you'd use AI overviews you hadn't bothered highplainsdem Wednesday #31
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I've seen news stories including studies about the links in AI overviews often not actually leading highplainsdem Wednesday #36
I'm focused on the value AI brings to .... reACTIONary Wednesday #50
AI search on the internet is a parasite killing its host. There's no value in that. The errors make its highplainsdem Wednesday #51
Well then, if that's the case, eventually..... reACTIONary Wednesday #52
Of all the silly comparisons. Calculators would never have been widely used if they were as error-prone highplainsdem Wednesday #57
I sometimes post AI search results here, and.... reACTIONary Thursday #58
The whopper is everything you've said suggesting people should trust AI results. Even AI companies highplainsdem Thursday #61
Not any less trustful than "the internet" itself..... reACTIONary Thursday #67
Again, you're trusting AI summaries known to make mistakes. You're also choosing to use AI tools highplainsdem Thursday #69
Again, I've never accessed anything on the internet... reACTIONary Thursday #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Betty Boom Thursday #68
Thanks for your comments Betty Boom Thursday #71
You are welcome! Here on DU, even those who are a bit... reACTIONary Thursday #74
Unfortunately, I had quite an unpleasant experience to the contrary recently Betty Boom Thursday #75
The problem with AI overviews is that they're not reliable. ShazzieB Wednesday #14
I think they are more reliable than some make them out to be.... reACTIONary Wednesday #16
There are still whoppers aplenty. cab67 Wednesday #38
Plain search used to do that Cirsium Wednesday #18
Your experience with "plain search" and with... reACTIONary Wednesday #19
it isn't a matter of opinion Cirsium Wednesday #20
It seems to be a subjective judgement to me.... reACTIONary Wednesday #23
OK Cirsium Wednesday #30
Wow! Thanks.... reACTIONary Wednesday #32
Thank you Cirsium Thursday #60
I sometimes find them amusing. cab67 Wednesday #37
And you just admitted you have to wade through irrelevant junk... paleotn Wednesday #42
Then one has to verify that it's not inaccurate slop GenThePerservering Wednesday #46
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You make a very good point... reACTIONary Thursday #79
I, too, usually conduct searches about scientific and other "basic facts," and have found some of the AI summaries Martin68 Thursday #80
We were able to do it just fine (in fact, better) BEFORE this immensely destructive shit came along. Karasu Wednesday #3
Yes. Search was much better before. highplainsdem Wednesday #6
The quality of their searches declined significantly. hunter Wednesday #27
AI "search" Be Leave On Wednesday #7
Profitable, because we are a post-literate society. SouthBayDem Wednesday #56
Fuck Google! caballojm Wednesday #8
DuckDuckGo has an AI, but they actually allow you to completely turn it off, and they have a version of their site that Karasu Wednesday #10
Same here. paleotn Wednesday #43
Everyone getting those commercials claiming we need a million data centers Bengus81 Wednesday #9
Here's what's wrong with the massive data centers ... FakeNoose Thursday #65
Their wanting to put one up around Garden City,Ks and it's projected water use Bengus81 Thursday #66
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Kick dalton99a Wednesday #11
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I have not seen contradictions, but I think vanlassie Wednesday #22
I have seen something worse than a contradiction. pnwmom Wednesday #24
Yea that's bad. I would never accept personal info vanlassie Wednesday #28
You could find it just as easily with a 'precisely composed query' GenThePerservering Wednesday #47
I've been a heavy user of the internet for many years. vanlassie Thursday #62
Even more reprehensible... GiqueCee Wednesday #21
Yes. People need to realize that every single writer, visual artist, photographer, singer, musician, highplainsdem Wednesday #44
Nailed it! GiqueCee Wednesday #45
It's human nature to expect the biggest reward for the lowest cost. SouthBayDem Wednesday #53
So the AI bros ripping off the world's intellectual property is just human nature? highplainsdem Thursday #59
Republicans will pass a law making it illegal to restrict AI search Bobstandard Wednesday #25
'Almost Intelligence' trains from anything it can find (within reason, supposedly) 3825-87867 Wednesday #26
"Imitation Intelligence" is a good name. hunter Wednesday #29
It's pretty easy to tell if Republicans are lying!--- Jack Valentino Wednesday #33
I call it a fancy shorthand for Anti-Intellectualism. SouthBayDem Wednesday #54
I wish this was here. Figarosmom Wednesday #35
I probably don't ask complicated questions, but I find the Google AI helpful Bluetus Wednesday #40
I've asked about current news events Figarosmom Wednesday #41
That's an astute judge. But it goes beyond that. Bluetus Wednesday #39
This is something a lot of people don't understand GenThePerservering Wednesday #49
I heard a good explanation the other day Bluetus Thursday #72
very insightful. that's why hallucinations will never go away altogether. nt scipan Wednesday #55
People still use Google? It's a spy agency that sells your data. I stopped ages ago. usonian Wednesday #48
Type -ai at the end of your search and you'll find out how little you need AI Bengus81 Thursday #63
AI regurgitates a lot of garbage and presents itself as fact. Historic NY Thursday #64
AI Chatbots reviewed by Behind the Bastards ihaveaquestion Thursday #70
Google is using AI in the same way that using an algorithm produces search results that benefit advertisers. Martin68 Thursday #77
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