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highplainsdem

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13. It being ubiquitous - as the tech companies try to force everyone to use it - is NOT an argument in
Sat Apr 25, 2026, 09:46 AM
Apr 25

favor of using it, because the harm already being done by this type of AI is also already obvious and ubiquitous.

The worldwide theft of intellectual property, for instance, which is continuing every minute of every day, and driving tech companies to gather more and more data from users to train AI.

The dumbing down of users, from younger users - especially students - not acquiring skills they need, including for reasoning, to adults being deskilled as they turn tasks including professional skills they need for their jobs over to genAI tools.

The colossally stupid lowering of standards and lowering of quality of output as people are urged to use genAI despite all the hallucinations/errors that mean it can never really be trusted. Calculators would never have been widely used if there might be errors any time they were used, but sanity seems to have been abandoned as the AI industry insists that everyone needs to use genAI NOW. So we have AI slop flooding the world, people being told the errors being made by this inherently flawed technology are their responsibility to deal with, and genAI destroying the reliability of whatever it touches, from medical and scientific papers to legal arguments to textbooks to educational videos to coding to recipes. This is sometimes called the pollution of our information ecosystem, but it's more like a tsunami of shit.

Then there's genAI's pollution of the physical environment - again, a worldwide threat.

There's the worldwide threat to the economy, from workers losing jobs to money wasted on a bubble that could collapse at any time.

There's the worldwide threat to democracy, with increased surveillance and data-gathering plus more effective disinformation making voters easier to manipulate where people can still vote, and propping up authoritarian regimes elsewhere.

There's the worldwide destruction of trust as deepfakes leave people less certain what's real - which also favors authoritarian leaders who convince people to just trust their judgment.

And there's the worldwide increase in delusional thinking, from chatbot psychosis where bots push people completely off the rails, to the everyday delusional thinking of people believing they accomplished something themselves - coding, writing fiction or nonfiction, creating images or video or music - because they gave genAI trained on stolen intellectual property a short prompt, even though that was no more their personal accomplishment than having someone else do it for them would have been. The latter is a serious delusion, but one many AI users cling to as they proudly show off what they tell themselves "they did."

NOTHING that genAI gives us offsets even one of those harms, let alone all of them.

GenAI has done nothing to seriously improve any area of our society it's been used in. The genAI industry likes to talk about other types of AI being helpful in science and medicine, but those are not hallucinating genAI and were not trained on all the intellectual property in the world that the AI bros could steal. It's fraud when genAI proponents try to confuse the types of AI to make genAI sound more useful than it is.

GenAI has always been a mix of a con job to sell people on a flawed product and world-threatening delusions on the part of AI bros who believe that just adding more and more stolen data and more and more infrastructure to their flawed tech will somehow magically produce superintelligent AI that might destroy humanity, but - if it doesn't mean lights out for all of us, as Sam Altman once said - might become a benevolent god that could at least reward the AI bros who believed in it with boundless wealth, great power (at least if they get there first), godlike powers and immortality. And those AI bros are willing to gamble the world and everyone and everything on it as they pursue that delusion.

Which is both horrifying and almost unbelievably stupid.

Even though you run an opensource AI model on a local machine, you're using tech based on theft of intellectual property, and you're supporting the genAI industry with every message praising genAI.

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That is very similar to ... rog Apr 24 #1
Really I kind of enjoy that at times with Claude. It does not bitch at me very often. LiberalArkie Apr 24 #4
I agree, really ... rog Apr 24 #6
I generally detest how they mimic human conversation jfz9580m Apr 25 #17
You can get the models to do exactly that ... rog Apr 25 #18
Programmed to not accept failure jfz9580m Apr 25 #20
I don't think that computers really 'learn' in the same sense that we do ... rog Apr 25 #22
Did Claude's advice help you? You didn't say whether you tried it and are posting your chat with Claude highplainsdem Apr 24 #2
Claude has been very helpful in just about everything really, Claude does identify as a Democrat LiberalArkie Apr 24 #3
Claude is not really thinking and has no real intelligence, and what Elon Musk has been able to do highplainsdem Apr 24 #5
You can turn the sycophancy off ... rog Apr 24 #7
I won't use it because it's fundamentally unethical tech, and every voluntary use of genAI, by anyone highplainsdem Apr 24 #9
I feel exactly the same way. SheltieLover Apr 24 #10
Good to hear, SheltieLover! highplainsdem Apr 25 #12
If I want to be an artist, I'll write, paint, &/or make REAL music. SheltieLover Apr 25 #14
That's the only way you CAN be an artist - by doing it yourself or collaborating with other REAL artists. highplainsdem Apr 25 #15
Absolutely! Imposter syndrome comes to mind... SheltieLover Apr 25 #16
I appreciate your point of view. rog Apr 25 #11
It being ubiquitous - as the tech companies try to force everyone to use it - is NOT an argument in highplainsdem Apr 25 #13
I agree with much of what you say ... rog Apr 25 #21
I first got a computer and first got online in the 1980s, before there was a world wide web, so I've highplainsdem Apr 26 #24
I'm just wondering where to draw the ethical line. rog Apr 26 #30
I don't think there's any ethical choice except to draw the line at a type of AI that exists only because highplainsdem Apr 26 #31
I am not that worried about all the big AI server farms as they will go under after a bit. LiberalArkie Apr 25 #23
Which is why the genAI companies have already indicated they want federal guarantees for loans. highplainsdem Apr 26 #25
If T-rump gives it, I would imagine that it will be taken away LiberalArkie Apr 26 #29
I found it icky jfz9580m Apr 25 #19
I agree that genAI can be particularly harmful to women. What Musk's Grok AI did with photos months highplainsdem Apr 26 #26
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I have no words... hunter Apr 24 #8
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