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Mass

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4. Let me add this post for those who have not read it. I think it is excellent
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:24 PM
Aug 2013

I excerpted these three paragraphs, but read the entire article. (I have always liked Atkins with whom I share concerns about poverty and a certain lack of interest for civil libertarian issues, but I think he postulates clearly where we stand, stuck between two positions that are both really bad and unable, for political and international reasons, to find a different way.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-world-has-failed-syria-by.html


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So quite predictably, most of the places where people power overwhelmed the dictators, the second most powerful organized element of society, the religious conservative Islamists, stepped in to take their place. In Egypt, the military brutally took power back. So much for people power.

In Libya, Syria and Bahrain, the dictators wouldn't go so quietly. Massacres ensued. Greater massacres were promised. Liberals in the West told themselves that if they closed their eyes, did nothing and murmured phrases like "blowback," the bloodshed would not be on their hands. Conservatives in the West couldn't wait to drop a bunch of bombs, show the world how big and tough they were hiding behind their keyboards and drones, and install a new set of puppet regimes. Almost no one was thinking through how to solve this problem long term.
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And so we stand on the brink in Syria. The dictator is massacring his own people. It may or may not be that the latest gas attack atrocity was committed by Assad, but that's almost irrelevant. Western doves want to do nothing and watch the bloodshed continue. Western hawks want to drop lots of bombs, probably making the situation worse and opening the door for Islamists to take power--at which point they'll push for more drone attacks.


But it also begs the question: what can be done?

Let me add Atkins's post from yesterday, which is also quite interesting.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/08/john-mccain-itching-to-lob-more-bombs.html

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Yep. I was not able to watch, but Mass Aug 2013 #1
I'm worried,too. This is more than about Syria... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #2
I'm concerned what a US intervention will ultimately mean for women's rights in Syria Blaukraut Aug 2013 #3
i worry about women and other minorities also , i know some armenian christians JI7 Aug 2013 #14
Let me add this post for those who have not read it. I think it is excellent Mass Aug 2013 #4
More Atkins here Mass Aug 2013 #20
For those who missed it: beachmom Aug 2013 #5
Hi, beachmom. Thanks for the link... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #6
Mostly his Tweet beachmom Aug 2013 #11
Here is the text of the speech for those who have not read it. Mass Aug 2013 #7
TY n/t politicasista Aug 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #9
you need to stop taking DU too seriously, the Pres and anyone else should not JI7 Aug 2013 #10
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there is no reason to speak up for Kerry because nobody is attacking Kerry JI7 Aug 2013 #13
And, don't forget theDeaniacs. LOL wisteria Aug 2013 #15
considering Dean is supporting Hillary for Pres JI7 Aug 2013 #16
Good point karynnj Aug 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #24
who cares ? idiots on the internet spouting conspiracy theories are not worth a response to JI7 Aug 2013 #25
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Kerry is not singled out except by a few idiots. Mass Aug 2013 #29
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SOS Kerry's comments were not just meant for our ears, wisteria Aug 2013 #17
Agreed. Mass Aug 2013 #19
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Obama said exactly the same thing that Kerry and Biden said. Mass Aug 2013 #28
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What GD says really does not matter! Mass Aug 2013 #18
I am glad I read this because it makes more sense than anything I've read karynnj Aug 2013 #22
Excellent post. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Aug 2013 #32
Atkins once again says it better than I can, so I will leave you with these words. Mass Aug 2013 #33
A final observation politicasista Aug 2013 #34
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