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Showing Original Post only (View all)"rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all]
http://radfemimages.wordpress.com/the-gears/#PIVbut no one ever says it: for example, normal PIV is often coerced or occurs under circumstances that are or objectively appear to be coercive; both PIV and rape are politically motivated and politically effective, and specifically and uniquely oppressive to women; rape and PIV are the only things *in life* that cause unwanted pregnancy; and both are known to cause trauma-bonding.
*PIV means "penis-in-vagina", you know, that unnatural sex act that no one ever did before the Space Patriarchy took over.
I think this deliberate muddying of what should be clear concepts like consent is atrocious.
Intercourse and its attendant female-specific reproductive harm is the source of terrible suffering for women all around the world.
Intercourse being central, necessary or even included in female sexual pleasure is ahistorical, acontextual, and dependent on consumerist first world conveniences and harm-reduction strategies such as hormonal and other birth control devices and products which are dangerous themselves, and less than 100% effective. To call intercourse sex or conflate it with womens or even mens sexual pleasure is not merely misguided, but rather, a deliberate and effective means of normalizing female submission and suffering and increasing mens individual and collective power. Because PIV and its attendant harms affect all women, across time and place, and is central to our suffering and our political and interpersonal standing, and because mens political and interpersonal standing increase as ours decrease, intercourse should rightly be seen as the foundation of patriarchy itself.
Regardless of the wishful-thinking of and deliberate obfuscation by some liberals and feminists, intercourse continues to be very much a political act and a political institution that is supportive of male power
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"rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all]
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
OP
Yeah, seems to me a concrete and unequivocal concept of consent is the obvious starting point.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#4
Also: That's an illuminating question, which one could also ask about radical anti-choicers.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#16
There must be some type of condition that causes people to come up with and believe this warped shit
Major Nikon
Aug 2012
#10
The theory of evolution was written by a penis-wielding member of the patriarchy
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#23
Strict adherence to any religion forces you to believe silly things from time to time
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#25
Or politics, or philosophy, or economics, or art... or pretty much anything.
LanternWaste
May 2013
#55
I don't know of too many economists who think the Flintstones really happened
Major Nikon
May 2013
#56
They don't believe it's natural, and yeah, Dworkin and MacKinnon would qualify the statements
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#31
This stuff, in August of last year mind you, didn't just materialize out of the vacuum.
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#66
You had reason to suspect the Space Patriarchy would be any different than the terrestrial one?
Major Nikon
Jul 2013
#75
But, what if she gets the Big "O" while some guy is muff-diving? Is that OK?
Eleanors38
Aug 2013
#77
Gotcha. Sorry, people keep trying to drag me into this silly fucking argument.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#82