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Warren DeMontague

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16. Also: That's an illuminating question, which one could also ask about radical anti-choicers.

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:21 PM

Aug 2012

Why, if they are really interested in reducing the numbers of abortions, are they pretty much universally opposed to birth control?

The answer: Because what they're really interested in is stopping people from having sex.

And so, why, if these self-described "radfems" are really interested in reducing the numbers of rapes, would they intentionally muddy the concept of "consent"?

The answer: Because what they're really interested in is stopping people from having sex.

...wait! Whoa! Same thing!

Gee, that's interesting, isn't it.

And, furthermore, it's taken as axiomatic in self-described, well referenced as authoritative "radfem" circles, that "sex" IS "rape".

And no, I wouldn't expect you to take my word for it:

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2011/07/18/a-bit-of-lighthearted-fun/

it is the stated position of the Savage Death Island Chapter of Spinster Aunts International that, in a patriarchy, “consensual sex” (between women and dudes) doesn’t even exist.

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"rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all] Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 OP

totally wired to the moon, imagine hating yourself this much loli phabay Aug 2012 #1

That's why they feel the need to hate men even more 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #11

On the use of "radfem" Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Aug 2012 #3

Yeah, seems to me a concrete and unequivocal concept of consent is the obvious starting point. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #4

Gail Dines... ElboRuum Aug 2012 #7

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bravo lord of the geeks ;) loli phabay Aug 2012 #17

More "In Their Own Words" from Maggie McNeill Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #5

I'll go a step further. ElboRuum Aug 2012 #6

What do you believe radical feminists are attempting to gain by that strategy? MadrasT Aug 2012 #8

Not to dodge the question... ElboRuum Aug 2012 #9

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Much of that seems possible to me. MadrasT Aug 2012 #27

Their religion is based on a very few basic tenents 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #12

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Don't want to deny anything, Warren. MadrasT Aug 2012 #28

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Also: That's an illuminating question, which one could also ask about radical anti-choicers. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #16

It's a get out of (culpability) free card. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #22

I'm not sure I see a "win" being the point any more than... TreasonousBastard Aug 2012 #35

There must be some type of condition that causes people to come up with and believe this warped shit Major Nikon Aug 2012 #10

Psychotic. caseymoz Aug 2012 #18

To answer your last question 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #19

Truly, the astonishing stupidity of these statements, in terms of evolutionary hifiguy Aug 2012 #20

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The theory of evolution was written by a penis-wielding member of the patriarchy 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #23

The sad thing is that I can see that argument being propounded hifiguy Aug 2012 #24

Strict adherence to any religion forces you to believe silly things from time to time 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #25

True dat. hifiguy Aug 2012 #26

Or politics, or philosophy, or economics, or art... or pretty much anything. LanternWaste May 2013 #55

I don't know of too many economists who think the Flintstones really happened Major Nikon May 2013 #56

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Hey Warren.. pass the Ranch dressing please... opiate69 May 2013 #58

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Hehe.. just sayin that salad upthread is a little on the dry side, is all opiate69 May 2013 #60

They believe that the most natural and traditional form of sex is rape? MaineMen Aug 2012 #30

They don't believe it's natural, and yeah, Dworkin and MacKinnon would qualify the statements Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #31

"Twisty"'s rant, there, is a real piece of work. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #32

From the comments: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #33

Well then. Now there's someone who just about manages to hifiguy Aug 2012 #34

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So..... opiate69 Apr 2013 #37

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To borrow a phrase.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #39

I read that book from cover to cover Major Nikon Apr 2013 #40

I had to read a lot of Dworkin and MacKinnon to hifiguy Apr 2013 #42

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Hey Warren, good to chat again. hifiguy Apr 2013 #45

Hey Hifi! Good to see you again! opiate69 Apr 2013 #46

They're ultimately well-poisoners hifiguy Apr 2013 #47

confronting a group like this can be difficult to impossible Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2013 #53

Wise words, Walter... opiate69 Apr 2013 #54

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I am a long-time animation geek. hifiguy Apr 2013 #49

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I've been listening to Can since 1975. hifiguy Apr 2013 #51

MacKinnon likely has a lot more in common with Phyliss Shafley ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2013 #52

I doubt it. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #67

Her understanding of evolution and mammalian biology hifiguy Apr 2013 #43

She was troubled (to say the least) but not, by my definition, "evil." nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #61

I know she's a lightning rod but Camille Paglia hifiguy Apr 2013 #41

Crazy, crazy people all over this crazy world... What can ya do? nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #62

You can call them out for being crazy, for one thing Major Nikon Jun 2013 #63

I agree with you. I just question characterizing anyone on DU that way. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #64

I think very few on DU believe it Major Nikon Jun 2013 #65

This stuff, in August of last year mind you, didn't just materialize out of the vacuum. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #66

I shake my evil phallus at this thread!! Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #68

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You'll shoot your eye out, kid! name not needed Jun 2013 #70

I do too. More or less. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #71

you wouldn't refrescanos Jul 2013 #72

It's more like this... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #73

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You had reason to suspect the Space Patriarchy would be any different than the terrestrial one? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #75

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But, what if she gets the Big "O" while some guy is muff-diving? Is that OK? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #77

I don't know. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #78

Wherever you go, there you are. name not needed Mar 2014 #79

Edited Subject Header Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #80

I'm not defending Dworkin or her acolytes. name not needed Mar 2014 #81

Gotcha. Sorry, people keep trying to drag me into this silly fucking argument. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #82

Well someone somewhere along the line paraphrased her words, name not needed Mar 2014 #83

Sex is fine, as long as no erections are involved. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #84

Yeah, but it's hard to keep up what their position on her is ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2014 #85

whew Doctor_J Apr 2014 #86