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In reply to the discussion: "rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all]4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)33. From the comments:
when one person objected to the notion that sex is "using a woman as a toilet"
Its not a bleak view of female sexuality so much as a bleak (and realistic) view of how men view having sex. IE, I put my dick in you, you lose. And since women exist in the P for the express purpose of serving men in which ever way the men see fit, they have been raised to show love for their men by letting them do what they want by serving them. Many women may want to have sex with men, but the way we get to do that, and what that sex means, socially, is generally out of our control.
Weve all been raised with the idea that this is what sex just is, so men, consciously or no, practice their sexuality the way theyve been taught. For all of us its not about sexual desire for the opposite sex per se, but rather doing sex the way the P has taught us. Or rather, just what Andrea Dworkin was quoted as saying earlier.
I've had sex before and as a male I can say I never thought of it as "haha I win you lose! I don't even like this, the patriarchy just taught me to do it to keep you in you place. Take *that* toilet!".
I've thought "I'm having sex I'm having sex I can't believe it I'm actually having sex hurray!"
But that's not quite the same thing. I doubt the people who make such claims have ever had a relationship with a man. And if so I find it next to impossible that it was a healthy one.
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"rape and PIV* are almost the same thing", Part II. Welcome to Bizarro World. [View all]
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
OP
Yeah, seems to me a concrete and unequivocal concept of consent is the obvious starting point.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#4
Also: That's an illuminating question, which one could also ask about radical anti-choicers.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#16
There must be some type of condition that causes people to come up with and believe this warped shit
Major Nikon
Aug 2012
#10
The theory of evolution was written by a penis-wielding member of the patriarchy
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#23
Strict adherence to any religion forces you to believe silly things from time to time
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#25
Or politics, or philosophy, or economics, or art... or pretty much anything.
LanternWaste
May 2013
#55
I don't know of too many economists who think the Flintstones really happened
Major Nikon
May 2013
#56
They don't believe it's natural, and yeah, Dworkin and MacKinnon would qualify the statements
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#31
This stuff, in August of last year mind you, didn't just materialize out of the vacuum.
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#66
You had reason to suspect the Space Patriarchy would be any different than the terrestrial one?
Major Nikon
Jul 2013
#75
But, what if she gets the Big "O" while some guy is muff-diving? Is that OK?
Eleanors38
Aug 2013
#77
Gotcha. Sorry, people keep trying to drag me into this silly fucking argument.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2014
#82