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MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
3. OK, I will give it a go.
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 09:58 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Tue Mar 5, 2013, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)

I think what you are getting at is the idea that men are expected from birth to be providers for women and children? And that kind of sucks?

If that assumption is correct, here is what I have to say about that.

I was born almost 50 years ago in a female body. My parents raised me with the expectation that I would grow up, choose a profession, and support myself. If I met a man and got married, that was a side issue. It was never part of the "how to survive" game plan for me.

From age 16 to age 23, while in high school and college, I dated a man who was older than me who was employed full time. I was an unemployed student most of that time, and thus he paid for almost everything all the time.

I hated it. I felt like a prostitute.

From the moment I got my first full time job, I have fully supported myself. Even when I was married (for 20 years), my husband and I split every last household expense 50/50. To the penny. We kept a ledger and even had separate bank accounts. When I wanted to go back to school, it was on me to figure out how to pay for it. When he wanted to go back to school, same thing. We divorced after 20 years because he was a hoarder and I couldn't take living like that. We were friends - and would have remained friends - had he not died soon after. Money was *never* an issue in our relationship because we were 50/50 equally invested in joint things, and provided for ourselves the extra things we wanted to have. (If I needed new car, I figured out how to pay for a new car, we didn't have to figure out as a couple if we could afford a new car or how to pay for a new car. We each bought our own books and videos and musical instruments and everything else that was a "me" item.)

That tl;dr story leads to this...

Now I am dating a man who makes 1/4 what I make. He loves his job and doesn't make a lot of money, but makes enough to support himself. I hate my job but make a lot of money and it is a trade I am OK with. But, it is incumbent on me to pay for much more than half of our "joint expenses". I am expected to pay for vacations, pay for more than half of the times we eat out, etc., etc., simply because I have more money coming in.

I don't like it and I will be honest, it creates some minor resentment inside me on occasion. But in this case, it is my choice to continue the relationship, and the good things about the relationship outweigh the financial imbalance. And if I waited for a man who was my financial equal I would have a long wait. I have chosen to be in this position.

If it were a societal expectation that I support another person (as it is still for many men) I would resent the hell out of it.

... then they'd only make 77 cents on the dollar. Scuba Mar 2013 #1
In that case, they would get full pay. Bonobo Mar 2013 #2
that would be incorrect. In the U.S. more women than men work cali Mar 2013 #21
Actually that has more to do with child rearing Major Nikon Mar 2013 #8
You know that this is false, right? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #11
OK, I will give it a go. MadrasT Mar 2013 #3
Thank you for your honest post. Bonobo Mar 2013 #4
One of the reasons I respect my new male partner is that he went with a career he loves MadrasT Mar 2013 #6
What is frustrating isn't "women who look to men to be their meal ticket" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #13
I don't really see a big problem with gender roles Major Nikon Mar 2013 #15
For me, there is another problem with traditional gender roles. MadrasT Mar 2013 #16
The way I see it is it all goes back to discrimination Major Nikon Mar 2013 #17
That works for me. MadrasT Mar 2013 #18
I agree with all of it, too. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #20
My daughter has been schooling me lately... Bonobo Mar 2013 #19
Once upon a time, when I did make much more than my wife, it didn't cause resentment at home lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #12
I feel the same way st0rk Mar 2013 #14
You would see more women... Major Nikon Mar 2013 #5
You mean men don't choose those things because they LOVE to do them? Bonobo Mar 2013 #7
I'm not sure women have any more or less freedom Major Nikon Mar 2013 #9
...the system would get changed. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #10
I'd like to know which women aren't expected to work? BainsBane Mar 2013 #22
I can't speak for Bonobo, but I think his OP is deliberately exaggerating and caricaturing Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #23
Not exactly. Bonobo Mar 2013 #27
I have done some time as a SAHD. I think things have changed, somewhat. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #33
The blogosphere is filled with debate about the appropriate choice for moms lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #24
Yes. That is correct. Bonobo Mar 2013 #25
the choice is there BainsBane Mar 2013 #29
The only Moms that have that choice are upper middle class BainsBane Mar 2013 #28
Exceptions proving the rule. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #30
Your rule is the top 1% BainsBane Mar 2013 #31
I was very fortunate to get the opportunity to be a stay at home dad. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #32
It's great you had that opportunity BainsBane Mar 2013 #34
My response is in #25 below. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #26
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