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Warren DeMontague

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23. I can't speak for Bonobo, but I think his OP is deliberately exaggerating and caricaturing

Reply to BainsBane (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:26 PM

Mar 2013

what might be considered to be "traditional attitudes", even to the extent that such attitudes aren't, exactly, real;

in much the same way that statements like "If Men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" imply totally ridiculous assumptions about the anti-choice movement, namely that it's all about Teh Menz trying to control women, when in reality anti-choice and pro-choice sentiment is quite nearly equally split along gender, and the real demographic divisions fall along lines like religion, education level, and geography.

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If women were the ones EXPECTED FROM BIRTH to be wage slaves... [View all] Bonobo Mar 2013 OP

... then they'd only make 77 cents on the dollar. Scuba Mar 2013 #1

In that case, they would get full pay. Bonobo Mar 2013 #2

that would be incorrect. In the U.S. more women than men work cali Mar 2013 #21

Actually that has more to do with child rearing Major Nikon Mar 2013 #8

You know that this is false, right? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #11

OK, I will give it a go. MadrasT Mar 2013 #3

Thank you for your honest post. Bonobo Mar 2013 #4

One of the reasons I respect my new male partner is that he went with a career he loves MadrasT Mar 2013 #6

What is frustrating isn't "women who look to men to be their meal ticket" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #13

I don't really see a big problem with gender roles Major Nikon Mar 2013 #15

For me, there is another problem with traditional gender roles. MadrasT Mar 2013 #16

The way I see it is it all goes back to discrimination Major Nikon Mar 2013 #17

That works for me. MadrasT Mar 2013 #18

I agree with all of it, too. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #20

My daughter has been schooling me lately... Bonobo Mar 2013 #19

Once upon a time, when I did make much more than my wife, it didn't cause resentment at home lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #12

I feel the same way st0rk Mar 2013 #14

You would see more women... Major Nikon Mar 2013 #5

You mean men don't choose those things because they LOVE to do them? Bonobo Mar 2013 #7

I'm not sure women have any more or less freedom Major Nikon Mar 2013 #9

...the system would get changed. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #10

I'd like to know which women aren't expected to work? BainsBane Mar 2013 #22

I can't speak for Bonobo, but I think his OP is deliberately exaggerating and caricaturing Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #23

Not exactly. Bonobo Mar 2013 #27

I have done some time as a SAHD. I think things have changed, somewhat. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #33

The blogosphere is filled with debate about the appropriate choice for moms lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #24

Yes. That is correct. Bonobo Mar 2013 #25

the choice is there BainsBane Mar 2013 #29

The only Moms that have that choice are upper middle class BainsBane Mar 2013 #28

Exceptions proving the rule. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #30

Your rule is the top 1% BainsBane Mar 2013 #31

I was very fortunate to get the opportunity to be a stay at home dad. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #32

It's great you had that opportunity BainsBane Mar 2013 #34

My response is in #25 below. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #26