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NNadir

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10. In the fast neutron spectrum with the dumped thorium from lanthanide mining for...
Wed Apr 29, 2026, 12:58 PM
Apr 29

...making magnets for useless wind turbines, world energy production at 700 Exajoules per year, humanity could run on the uranium and thorium already mined for centuries.

I've done this calculation many times.

An antinuke "renewable energy will save us" type complaining about mining anything is like a MAGAT complaining about corruption.

A kilogram of plutonium fully fissioned, excluding neutrinos, has an energy density of about 80 trillion Joules. A kg of coal, about which our antinukes and "I'm not an antinuke" antinukes couldn't care less, depending on grade, about 25 million Joules. It follows that a kg of plutonium is the equivalent of more than 3,000 tons of coal.

This suggests that to cover all of the world's energy demand at about 700 Exajoules, higher than the WEO figures for 2024, around 650 EJ, less than 9000 tons of plutonium would need to be fissioned each year, less in improved exergy recovery exploiting waste heat through process intensification.

If we take the weight of a wind turbine tower, ignoring the coal coked to make the steel, as 200 tons, for a MW+ scale turbine the amount of plutonium required is about the weight of around 50 wind turbine towers.

Transmuted into plutonium, the depleted uranium at Fernald Ohio is enough, in theory, to meet world energy demand for about a thousand years.

I often note that the ocean contains about 4.5 billion tons of uranium, continuously cycled from the mantle by rivers, although our happy antinukes have stoppered most of the world's major rivers with dams.

There are thousands of papers, I have oodles of them in my files, on the recovery of this oceanic uranium, if it were needed, albeit at a higher cost than mined uranium.

Uranium is inexhaustible. Dysprosium is not.

It is the extraordinary energy density of nuclear fuels that makes them environmentally superior to fossil fuels, about which again antinukes couldn't care less, as well as all the so called "renewable energy" junk that antinukes peddle to attack nuclear energy.

The above, of course does not apply to our existing nuclear fleet, which is largely based on 20th century technology, since antinukes have successfully vandalized the intellectual and manufacturing nuclear infrastructure in the Western world, although China has made huge strides in building such an infrastructure.

However all of the above is feasible, if not immediately accessible.

It is technically feasible to live in a world with very low requirements for mining, but mining interests have won the day by selling a snake oil like scheme to keep the fossil fuel industry in place, with wind and solar lipstick on the pig, where it is choking us to death, this by selling the absurd idea that mining millions of tons of metals for so called "renewable energy" is "green."

It isn't.

Have a nice day.

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Oh good. After tearing the mountains to pieces for coal... NNadir Apr 29 #1
They want to... 2naSalit Apr 29 #4
Leaving big holes like this one OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #7
In the fast neutron spectrum with the dumped thorium from lanthanide mining for... NNadir Apr 29 #10
Your insistence that "renewable energy" is not green is contradicted by the experts. OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #12
I don't credit "Appeal to authority" arguments. NNadir Apr 29 #14
There's nothing particularly wrong with an appeal to authority. You use it all the time. OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #16
Well ain't that nice blue-wave Apr 29 #2
Except...the next generation of EV batteries are supposed to use little to no lithium Fiendish Thingy Apr 29 #3
There's always something wonderful on the horizon. NNadir Apr 29 #5
The bulk of BC's household energy comes from hydro Fiendish Thingy Apr 29 #8
I have been writing here for over 20 years on energy. NNadir Apr 29 #11
Thank you for your opinions IMHO they resemble those of our President OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #19
Thank you for the guilt by association fallacy. Let's go full Godwin. NNadir Apr 29 #20
No guilt by association intended OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #21
Oh, I sure hope I'm the "hydrogen will save us" moron you refer to. thought crime Apr 29 #23
No, I wasn't thinking of you. If however you wish to... NNadir Apr 30 #24
Do you know how to use search engines? OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #9
Well if one doesn't give a shit about the laws of thermodyamics, one could... NNadir Apr 29 #13
Your response to evidence is belligerent denial of the truth OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #15
Thank you for sharing your opinion. NNadir Apr 29 #17
I'm sorry, I should have said "virtually" every expert OKIsItJustMe Apr 29 #18
There's always some technology on the horizon that will supposedly save our asses from the fire. hunter Apr 29 #6
Yes, we just have to do it. thought crime Apr 29 #22
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