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Demeter

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34. You know, honesty doesn't mean what you think it does

Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:07 PM

Jun 2014

Yes I posted those opinions, and yes, I still stand by them.

99% of EVERYTHING is hype these days, and most of that is spurious hype. Including climate science, food science, energy science, you name it.

When you can buy scientific opinions, and the system is corrupt, I'm going to insist that a comprehensive and complete assessment WHICH NO ONE HAS DONE OR POSTED is the basis for discussion.

I wasn't born yesterday, and if there's a way to game the system, they are doing it. That is why ANY information is open to scrutiny, and if some information ISN'T even permitted to be brought to the table, well, it isn't a table, it's a cliff.

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Poll: Should Deniers Be Allowed To Post In E&E? [View all] hatrack Jun 2014 OP

'ALLOWED???' elleng Jun 2014 #1

Sure, it's a group and there are people barred from posting... TreasonousBastard Jun 2014 #3

We don't need anti-science people in this group. Seriously..... SolarAdvocate May 2017 #95

Oh, I don't know, sometimes people get bored Warpy May 2017 #96

i agree julia b. Nov 2018 #104

Only if they can explain OTEC Doomy_Tunes Jul 2017 #98

Rise of the Machines hoffyburger Mar 2018 #102

Only if people are desperate for chew toys Warpy Jun 2014 #2

*SNORT* hatrack Jun 2014 #4

Only if they can back up their arguments with evidence. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #5

Yes. "Discuss all things related to environmental issues and energy policy." rug Jun 2014 #6

No. truebrit71 Jun 2014 #12

The only one who mentioned trolls is you. rug Jun 2014 #16

Project much? truebrit71 Jun 2014 #17

Not at all. rug Jun 2014 #18

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #19

I hope you've done better than this. rug Jun 2014 #20

I've done much better, I'm just bringing it down to a level that you might understand... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #22

You have one thing, and one thing only, right. You've brought it down to a level where thought ends. rug Jun 2014 #23

Fuck no. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #58

Where's your ellipses? rug Aug 2014 #59

Huh? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #61

I would say yes if I was more involved. joshcryer Jun 2014 #7

All this attention you guys are getting made FreedRadical Jun 2014 #8

I read the choices and I read Skip Intro's choice CreekDog Jun 2014 #9

My other thought on this is that several of us know exactly who would come back CreekDog Jun 2014 #10

There are places for deniers to post. defacto7 Jun 2014 #11

You said, "grinding out the basics of "is it or isn't it" in every discussion isn't helpful tblue37 Jun 2014 #42

This is the slippery path to segregation and closing off all input Demeter Jun 2014 #13

^^this^^ rateyes Jun 2014 #14

This is not an echo chamber.. truebrit71 Jun 2014 #15

climate change denial is facilitating a crime against humanity (and a multitude of other species) Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #21

Agreed... SidDithers Jun 2014 #25

I agree it should be a TOS issue and it has been included in PPR justifications CreekDog Jun 2014 #33

How about being honest with us next time? CreekDog Jun 2014 #26

Well done. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #27

You know, honesty doesn't mean what you think it does Demeter Jun 2014 #34

I can understand not trusting anybody these days CreekDog Jun 2014 #36

Troll tactics TXCritter Dec 2016 #94

Actually people are harmed by lies, all the time. CreekDog Jun 2014 #37

Let me count the ways.... defacto7 Jun 2014 #43

+1 TXCritter Dec 2016 #93

Adults' table was a great tradition so they could carry on serious discussion lostnfound Oct 2023 #117

No they shouldn't... SidDithers Jun 2014 #24

Isn't there a site for those people here, already. Creative Speculation... Tikki Jun 2014 #28

My answer is OTHER. And here's why.... MADem Jun 2014 #29

No, "all things" doesn't mean people can post intentionally misleading and unscientific things CreekDog Jun 2014 #30

Why? Because YOU say so? Do you realize how pompous you sound? MADem Jun 2014 #31

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that several deniers aren't allowed to post here CreekDog Jun 2014 #32

See post 38, just downthread. nt MADem Jun 2014 #39

There are half a dozen hosts... any can unlock a banned poster FBaggins Jun 2014 #35

Why not just be honest, and make it a protected group with an agenda and a purpose and limitations MADem Jun 2014 #38

Good idea! XemaSab Jun 2014 #40

I think it will solve a lot of problems--it will certainly direct the conversation in a positive MADem Jun 2014 #41

Would it have made a difference? FBaggins Jun 2014 #44

Well, he couldn't have claimed that he "didn't know" if the rules are clearly spelled out, MADem Jun 2014 #45

A climate change denier will deny the nose on their face CreekDog Jun 2014 #47

That's fine, but if you don't let them know up front MADem Jul 2014 #49

First, define "denier" Yo_Mama Jun 2014 #46

Exactly LouisvilleDem Jul 2014 #54

Deniers are those who deny the very existence of anthropogenic Ghost Dog Jul 2014 #55

maybe they could be redirected to the Religion forum.. Bill USA Jun 2014 #48

That would seem most appropriate SorellaLaBefana Nov 2024 #119

Sure. If they want to make themselves look foolish theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #50

I like chew toys ... intaglio Jul 2014 #51

No Way. They should have to post in Creative Speculation. dballance Jul 2014 #52

Deniers no, but what about luke warmers? LouisvilleDem Jul 2014 #53

AGW denial thoughts PeaceMonger12345 Jul 2014 #56

They should be sent to Creative Speculation or Religious forums Agnosticsherbet Aug 2014 #57

Fabulous idea.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #60

they really should post on the Religion forum. Bill USA Aug 2014 #62

No - it's tinfoil nonsense and has no place here jpak Nov 2014 #63

Reluctant 'no' Panich52 Jan 2015 #64

Skepticism makes us think and question our own ideas -that is a good thing mj44fx1 Feb 2015 #65

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #111

Hell No! George Beerlover Apr 2015 #66

Are there such on DU? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #67

Oh, yeah, there are some regulars, and I've given them the heave-ho over time hatrack Apr 2015 #68

How do we feel about cut and paste deceptive posts promoting hydrogen? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #69

What have you got against hydrogen research? TXCritter Dec 2016 #92

+1 eviliberal Feb 2016 #81

It depends on what kind of DENIERS your talking about. GuyVelella Apr 2015 #70

The ones who deny reality and prefer to hide behind right wing talking points ... Nihil Apr 2015 #71

pass a law against denialism Cassidy1 May 2015 #72

HELL No! Southern Belle Blue Aug 2015 #73

Let's just expose science denial for what it is. HuckleB Sep 2015 #74

??? OntheFringe87 Sep 2015 #75

In a strictly legal sense, cheapdate Sep 2015 #77

I dont think censoring speech jkbRN Sep 2015 #76

Exactly... quad489 Feb 2018 #99

Deniers of what? Climate change? Renew Deal Sep 2015 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #79

Yes, we are the party that allows civilized debate even with those who are dead wrong. n/t SylviaD Feb 2016 #80

Of course... Goblor Mar 2016 #82

Give the pro-nuke and climate change deniers their own forums Lodestar Apr 2016 #83

Yeah, they might even be as popular & lively as ... Nihil Apr 2016 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #85

Why not? Lunabell Jul 2016 #86

Yes gives us more info to refute them Ainaloa Aug 2016 #87

Exactly. TXCritter Dec 2016 #90

I think that kind of nonsense is probably better suited for, say, creative speculation. MADem Oct 2016 #88

All FL Fringe Millennials,XYZ-Gen's obligated vote dem per FL' very real crucial 4x-Env. Crisis's ZAZMAZ42 Nov 2016 #89

What are you afraid of? Is the science not on our side? TXCritter Dec 2016 #91

I argue "yes" jimlup Jun 2017 #97

dont know where to post this joseph263 Mar 2018 #100

No complete waste of the group's space and purpose. Free to start thier own group lunasun Mar 2018 #101

No. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #103

we don't have time to waste of fuckwittery, harumph Jul 2019 #105

My rationale for voting "No" Mike 03 Nov 2019 #106

Normally, I'm 100% for free speech no matter the view, but RealityChik Mar 2020 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #108

Per your comment below GP6971 Sep 2020 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #110

Fair enough. GP6971 Sep 2020 #112

I did vote "kill them with fire" nam78_two Feb 2021 #113

Freedom of Speech wins. Also winning is several types of ignore buttons on DU - such patricia92243 Apr 2022 #114

Why do you hate freedom hatrack? jfz9580m Apr 2022 #115

I will read a post from a denier once. friend of a friend Jan 2023 #116

I'm a littlre divided on this one Warpy Jan 2024 #118