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Tony_FLADEM

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9. From the time Jews began going to 'Palestine' in the last 19th century until about the late 1920's
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:03 PM
Nov 2016

they lived peacefully with the Arabs who were living there. So the issue wasn't about Jews living there. The conflict started when the Palestinian Arabs started losing their rights and the land they were living on was sold or given away without their consent with no chance for them to ever attain possession of it ever again.

How far back do you go to determine indigenous rights? With respect to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict we have to go back over 3,000 years. Do you do this anywhere else in the world to determine property rights? And how do you determine if someone is Jewish for this purpose? Suppose you give an Arab living in the middle east a genealogy test and it's determined scientifically that the person is partly Jewish do they now have indigenous land rights or is it someone who believes in the Jewish religion but came from a thousand miles away and is unlikely to share any genetic traits with some Jews who lived in the Middle East 3,000 years ago?

I already showed you that the Palestinians recognized the state of israel in 1988. Netanyahu wanting the Palestinians to recognize Israel as a Jewish state is just a delaying tactic until he figures out how to keep putting Israeli's in Palestinian territory but without having to take eventual responsibility for them (one state solution) which isn't possible but he'll keep delaying until more people figure that out.

Conundrum no_hypocrisy Nov 2016 #1
"Assuming we solve the settlement problem" precludes that imagined danger FBaggins Nov 2016 #5
In 1988 the Palestinians voted to recognize the State Of Israel Tony_FLADEM Nov 2016 #2
Take note of this document oberliner Nov 2016 #4
It would seem as if the US explicitly did not recognize a Jewish state, Little Tich Nov 2016 #12
Only if you ignore the first sentence FBaggins Nov 2016 #13
The very fact they won't recognize a Jewish state, won't give up on millions of refugees.... shira Nov 2016 #6
Perhaps they just find it a little unfair that one group of people have refugee status Tony_FLADEM Nov 2016 #7
Yeah, it's unfair Jews are indigenous to Israel - isn't it? As for Palestinian refugees.... shira Nov 2016 #8
From the time Jews began going to 'Palestine' in the last 19th century until about the late 1920's Tony_FLADEM Nov 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #11
Nope. That's what remained after 1946 when Jordan was founded FBaggins Nov 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #15
Start at 1920, the Palestine of that time period designed to be the Jewish homeland.... shira Nov 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #19
Same map as the one at BBC. Is BBC also idiotic? shira Nov 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #22
The fact is Balfour's Jewish homeland was Palestine, which included Jordan... shira Nov 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #33
Notice the map you used includes land to the east of the Jordan River? shira Nov 2016 #34
The Palestine Mandate legally entitles Jews to a homeland in Palestine.... shira Nov 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #37
You falsely claimed Trans-Jordan was never a part of Palestine, remember? shira Nov 2016 #38
Now I'm curious, Tich. What was Palestine's boundaries during the Mandate period? shira Nov 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #10
You wouldn't support a Jewish state if settlements didn't exist.... shira Nov 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #18
Arab Israelis already have equal rights guaranteed by law, so be honest - okay? shira Nov 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #23
Palestinians have rejected 3 deals in the past 16 years. Land swaps solve settlements... shira Nov 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #31
Please, be honest. You oppose the UN Partition Plan of 1947.... shira Nov 2016 #35
To play devil's advocate, if the Abbas said yes they would recognize Isreal, would the settlements still_one Nov 2016 #26
The Palestinians have rejected 3 peace deals since 2000 in which settlements would be dismantled.... shira Nov 2016 #27
I am presenting a hypothetical shira. What would Netanyahu do if Abbas agreed to that? still_one Nov 2016 #28
I think the pressure would be too much on Netanyahu. Remember 1999 when Barak won.... shira Nov 2016 #29
You make some good points. Public pressure probably would be a factor if they thought a viable still_one Nov 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #32
See Clinton Parameters, Olmert's offer, Geneva Initiative. shira Nov 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #40
Olmert's offer had land swaps & here they are... shira Nov 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #43
Yeah, Abbas wrote it down. Read the article. n/t shira Nov 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Nov 2016 #45
Yeah, the map Abbas wrote down.... shira Nov 2016 #46
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