Creative Speculation

William Seger

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16. Oh brother, read it again: The CURTAIN WALL panels are not in the model

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:02 PM

Oct 2013

The curtain wall panels are called that because they were hanging from the columns and beams, so they were not structural elements. But they were rigid enough to carry considerable wind loads to the columns and beams, and apparently they were rigid enough to hold the box shape as they collapsed. They are omitted from the simulation but they are the ONLY thing we can see in the videos, so there is no rational reason to expect the exterior columns alone to LOOK like the videos when they collapsed. You do understand that the purpose of the simulation was to simulate the physics of the STRUCTURE, no?

And I'm not interested in ad hoc "just so stories" -- non-explanations that amount to saying "they" did that to the penthouse so it would look like it did. So yes, if you can do better than that, have at it. And I'm still anxious to hear why "they" blew out eight floors after the building was already falling. Bonus points for identifying the magical silent explosives.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] damnedifIknow Jul 2013 OP

"Where are you now, we need you brother," says the YouTube poster William Seger Jul 2013 #1

How do you explain the Thermite? damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #2

No need to explain things that didn't happen William Seger Jul 2013 #3

I hate to chastise you, but... tomk52 Aug 2013 #4

Who has replicated Dr. Millette's findings? And what peer-reviewed journal has published them? Ace Acme Oct 2013 #8

I guess we don't need all the demolition experts then. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #5

Not if the demolition experts want to remain employed: cpwm17 Aug 2013 #6

"the building will come straight down" William Seger Aug 2013 #7

WTC7 came straight down in terms of its E and W walls remaining plumb. Ace Acme Oct 2013 #9

Pointless point William Seger Oct 2013 #10

Point: it came straight down absolutely for most of its fall. Ace Acme Oct 2013 #11

Hmm, good point -- except for being wrong William Seger Oct 2013 #12

The NIST simulations bore no resemblance to reality Ace Acme Oct 2013 #13

The NIST simulation William Seger Oct 2013 #14

Oh brother Ace Acme Oct 2013 #15

Oh brother, read it again: The CURTAIN WALL panels are not in the model William Seger Oct 2013 #16

Are you claiming that the perimeter columns fell down with the rest of the structure Ace Acme Oct 2013 #17

Umm, no William Seger Oct 2013 #18

What you expect is not what NIST's models show Ace Acme Oct 2013 #19

You are pointlessly running around in circles William Seger Oct 2013 #20

You seem to be obfuscating Ace Acme Oct 2013 #21

Obfuscating? You seem to not understand much of what I say William Seger Oct 2013 #22

It's not my fault I don't understand what you say Ace Acme Oct 2013 #23

I can explain it to you; I can't understand it for you William Seger Oct 2013 #24

You're going in circles Ace Acme Oct 2013 #25

Here we go round the Mulberry bush William Seger Nov 2013 #27

You believe that the perimeter columns remain standing when the interior of the building fell down. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #30

Another pointless point William Seger Nov 2013 #31

The NIST simulations bore no resemblance to reality Ace Acme Nov 2013 #32

Your "wet paper bag" is completely pointless William Seger Nov 2013 #34

It's not my "wet paper bag"; it's NIST's "wet paper bag" Ace Acme Nov 2013 #35

"... it shows that NIST's computer models are completely off the beam." William Seger Nov 2013 #36

The models bear no resemblance to reality. Nor do your claims. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #37

I've watched that many times, and what I see... William Seger Nov 2013 #38

What you "see" in the video is your own fantasy about an explanation Ace Acme Nov 2013 #39

You claim "no resemblance" but then just ignore a list of resemblances William Seger Nov 2013 #40

The behavior of the building exterior in the sim bears no resemblance to reality. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #41

Why would Saddam go through the trouble and risk of planting explosives in buildings greyl Nov 2013 #26

Who said Saddam did anything at all? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #28

Members of Bush Gang Swore Under Oath Saddam Was Behind 9/11 greyl Nov 2013 #29

Did they swear up and down that Saddam planted explosives in the the towers? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #33