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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
9. do you know ...
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 11:29 AM
Jan 2012
I think the only strong females I felt comfortable with was Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Captain Janeway and Dana Scully in the X-files.

A few years ago I had a brief relationship with a man who was also an old Star Trek fan -- an old fan, that is, not just a fan of old Star Trek.

He firmly and very seriously took the position that Capt. Janeway was just wrong -- that a woman could not be the lead starship captain in Star Trek / Star Fleet. This was a reasonably politically aware man, but of my generation. I wonder whether younger viewers (of both sexes) found the idea just as clanging and unacceptable.

Yes, interesting that your strong female models are all fictional.

Martin Luther King Jr. admired Margaret Sanger -- and obviously knew that all the tales told about her alleged racism etc. were merely right-wing, misogynist efforts to discredit her and thus to undermine women's equality-seeking efforts.

I think that's part of the problem you have experienced. Hostility to women and opposition to women's equality are still socially acceptable to the point that it is possible to dismiss women who might otherwise be considered to be heroic, simply because no one is perfect. Individual women's imperfections -- real or perceived, or just blatant lies -- are made the focus of concerted efforts to discredit them.

Was Margaret Sanger, with her steadfast, life-long commitment to the right of women to control our reproductive destiny and her anti-patriarchal "free love", more of a threat to the status quo and those whose interests it serves than even MLK Jr and his socialism?

I wonder whether that isn't at least part of the reason why the news of women and their lives and work and goals aren't suppressed.

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what do you see, being in that generation? seabeyond Jan 2012 #1
Overused technology. Neoma Jan 2012 #2
I hate to say it... laconicsax Jan 2012 #3
I viewed her as a overly tired coffee drinker that managed to pull it all together. Neoma Jan 2012 #4
That's an accurate view, too. laconicsax Jan 2012 #5
i ran a small business. i learned from my father. we grew up in that atmosphere. seabeyond Jan 2012 #8
neoma, i couldnt agree with you more. seabeyond Jan 2012 #6
I think there's a lot of confusion also. Neoma Jan 2012 #11
i dont think you are seabeyond Jan 2012 #12
I met a woman in the gym once. Neoma Jan 2012 #14
do you know ... iverglas Jan 2012 #9
Sigh. Neoma Jan 2012 #15
on King and Sanger iverglas Jan 2012 #16
Sure don't ismnotwasm Jan 2012 #28
good one! iverglas Jan 2012 #29
it is good to see you. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #35
Here's a link Feldspar Jan 2012 #7
Thanks for the link! Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #18
My take... redqueen Jan 2012 #10
It reminds me of videogames for some reason. Neoma Jan 2012 #13
Well I meant celebrated more than created... redqueen Jan 2012 #17
Generally, you get into directing by writing. Neoma Jan 2012 #19
Depends on how many men are involved in production, redqueen Jan 2012 #20
there is also the argument about teen males being the ticket buyers which has been proven false seabeyond Jan 2012 #21
Studies have shown that male audience members generally cannot identify with female lead characters. redqueen Jan 2012 #22
Isn't it a little odd that they generally put women in roles Neoma Jan 2012 #23
for a chick flick. and servicing a male for a manly mans movie or seabeyond Jan 2012 #24
Not really... redqueen Jan 2012 #25
odd to the thinking person ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #26
Just thought of something. Neoma Jan 2012 #27
One big exception is the His Dark Materials series. redqueen Jan 2012 #32
Never read the series. Neoma Jan 2012 #33
We need to change the culture which says that male is the default and female is an exception/other. CrispyQ Jan 2012 #34
Women are afraid ismnotwasm Jan 2012 #30
I should make all the points in here into a list. Neoma Jan 2012 #31
K&R Whisp Feb 2012 #36
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