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ariadne0614

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66. I'd rather blame a system of patriarchal conditioning, than the oblivious behavior of individual men.

Sun Dec 31, 2023, 10:21 AM

Dec 2023

In the interest of nurturing important relationships, it gives men a bit of breathing room to consider the fact that they’ve been conditioned from toddlerhood to identify with a misogynistic/patriarchal system. Once they understand the system, then they can decide what to do about it’s impact on the world, and their own happiness. Misogyny appears to be more deeply ingrained than racism.

That said, the only change I’d make to the TikTok post would be, “Why I don’t take advice from men who don’t recognize/reject their indoctrination into the patriarchy.”

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"Why I don't take advice from men." [View all] demmiblue Dec 2023 OP

I couldn't agree more. Blue Dawn Dec 2023 #1

Well MOMFUDSKI Dec 2023 #2

Very sensible! Nictuku Dec 2023 #3

These short videos are awesome. love_katz Dec 2023 #59

i've wished for a wife many, many times. mopinko Dec 2023 #4

Me too, I was a career woman, raising a child, husband was working as well but mostly I Bev54 Dec 2023 #21

An enlightening book was published in 2001, called "The Price of Motherhood." ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #70

she doesnt know the facts so she justs makes stuff up lol. not taking advice from her nt msongs Dec 2023 #5

Apparently, you weren't listening... GiqueCee Dec 2023 #7

her word choice indicates she doesnt know facts. she keeps saying "probably" which indicates msongs Dec 2023 #9

She knows the kid is not with the dad. Demobrat Dec 2023 #8

He doesn't fill in the details. Concerning his own child. I wonder why? paleotn Dec 2023 #10

I was in the corporate workforce for 34 years. I cannot count how many career talks I've heard or stories I've read. MLAA Dec 2023 #36

I had a boss once who brought his kid to work Demobrat Dec 2023 #39

Out of curiosity, what century are you living in? Orrex Dec 2023 #74

Oh, the msongs is living in this century drmeow Dec 2023 #76

I had a guy tell me you're a nice girl but you should get married and have kids being in the finance business kimbutgar Dec 2023 #6

This Casey fellow is obviously an asshole. So the TikTok'er views men's advice as poor b/c that guy is an asshole? TeamProg Dec 2023 #11

"That is sexist to it's core." Yeah, no. demmiblue Dec 2023 #13

Voila! I rest my case. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #14

Lol! demmiblue Dec 2023 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #19

Yawnnnnnn niyad Dec 2023 #64

Lol! demmiblue Dec 2023 #92

And you make our case! niyad Dec 2023 #63

I think you have missed the message. Bev54 Dec 2023 #22

The message was pretty clear. The TikTok'er is bitter about something. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #25

Naw, it's pretty clear a certain poster is bitter about something canuckledragger Dec 2023 #34

Right over your head. Bev54 Dec 2023 #37

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And now you make the all-or-nothing fallacy Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #45

I agree, so to say "I no longer take men's advice" as the TikTok'er post is absurd. And to agree TeamProg Dec 2023 #47

What's absurd is you twisting ordinary statements into all or nothing. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #50

The TikTok'er was 'all or nothing' and posters here agreed with that.. so.. TeamProg Dec 2023 #51

Your thanks are insincere, as is your line of argument. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #55

It's basically the mercuryblues Dec 2023 #58

Why are you taking this so personally? canuckledragger Dec 2023 #46

Well, I wish I hadn't taken his advice. Turns out it was misogynistic. SharonAnn Dec 2023 #54

I don't know if it is that you "don't understand, " "can't understand," or REFUSE to try to understand... hlthe2b Dec 2023 #82

Yep, you missed it. Bev54 Dec 2023 #35

Please see my reply above. MLAA Dec 2023 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #40

Regarding career advice in the late 70s, I was wise not to take my loving dad's advice. MLAA Dec 2023 #42

And you double down on your all-or-nothing illogic Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #44

It's always interesting when a guy refers to women as "females" Orrex Dec 2023 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #81

It's also interesting that you think your continued posting improves your credibility Orrex Dec 2023 #84

Good call there! AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #89

Your logic fails. She is not basing it on ONE guy. :eyes: . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #43

You mean like patriarchal men do? niyad Dec 2023 #61

This woman speaks for me. WhiteTara Dec 2023 #12

Preach it!!! niyad Dec 2023 #65

Bet it's good. I don't do X. Joinfortmill Dec 2023 #16

Neither do I, except to cost Musk. I block his cookies, his ads, his trackers Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #20

That was really good and really true Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #17

As a man, I've never dispensed unsolicited advice to a woman EYESORE 9001 Dec 2023 #18

My wife taught me early on never to give her advice SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #23

Yes! Wild blueberry Dec 2023 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #26

Repeating your mistake doesn't make it truer. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #53

Excellent rant! tblue37 Dec 2023 #27

I take my wife's advice. I'm not stupid. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #28

Yep. I was fortunate enough to work for one of the world's largest corporations from 1973 until 2003. sinkingfeeling Dec 2023 #29

I started working for a company in 82 that was often touted as the best company to work for during the 70s-90s MLAA Dec 2023 #33

Preach Sister! maspaha Dec 2023 #30

Truth is, I don't see many men getting a word... TreasonousBastard Dec 2023 #31

Really? Studies show that men talk more than women in meetings, groups, and converstations. A LOT more! SharonAnn Dec 2023 #56

Having been to many, many meetings and... TreasonousBastard Dec 2023 #57

Your post is completely contradicted by. your post, and every study on the niyad Dec 2023 #67

So spot on. She speaks for me. onecaliberal Dec 2023 #32

"Why would we take advice from people trying to control and kill us?" Say what??? TeamProg Dec 2023 #48

JFC, have you NOT been paying attention to what is happening??? Never niyad Dec 2023 #68

Have you not read / heard about women fighting against abortion even if it could kill the mother? TeamProg Dec 2023 #79

You know what? My attempts at establishing relationships by being a supportive, respectful, nice guy have left me NBachers Dec 2023 #49

I feel sad that your attempts to be supportive, respectful and nice haven't been enough. ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #72

Tbh, you deserve absolutely nothing for being supportive, respectful, and nice. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #93

Thanks for telling me that I deserve nothing. happy new year. NBachers Dec 2023 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author TeamProg Dec 2023 #52

There seems to be a few people commenting who are caught up in the semantics of. . . Collimator Dec 2023 #60

I'd rather blame a system of patriarchal conditioning, than the oblivious behavior of individual men. ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #66

Excellent post. Thank you. niyad Dec 2023 #71

Preach it, Sister!!! niyad Dec 2023 #62

Having read through this very enlightening thread, I see that the anguished "but what niyad Dec 2023 #69

Counting my dad, 75 years of experience loving a man here and there makes me inclined to err ariadne0614 Dec 2023 #73

Here's a link to the clip on her page: Orrex Dec 2023 #75

I take very little unsolicited advice from me or women. LakeArenal Dec 2023 #77

The double standard is alive and well dlk Dec 2023 #78

Double Standard, Indeed. Collimator Dec 2023 #85

Excellent post. MontanaMama Dec 2023 #83

Exactly! Tumbulu Dec 2023 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2023 #87

Ok I watched the video. Lucky Luciano Dec 2023 #88

Absolutely on target. scarletlib Dec 2023 #90

I can't count how many times a guy mansplained something I know better than them to me. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #91

The mother gets all the responsibility Demobrat Jan 2024 #95