Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

ShazzieB

(20,058 posts)
39. I agree in principle, but there's a major power disparity in play here that can't be ignored.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:30 PM
Jan 9

In our warped and twisted "health care" system, the insurance companies literally hold the power of life and death over patients and tremendous power of another kind over health care providers and hospitals. No matter what the patient needs and the doctor wants to provide, it's the insurance company who gets to decide what actually happens, by providing or withholding coverage. Very wealthy patients who can afford to pay out of pocket when the insurance company says no are the only ones who are exempt from this unhealthy (pun intended) power dynamic.

Health care providers know this, and they have to battle it on a daily red.basis. I'm sure it has a huge impact on them. In this particular case, I suspect that the doctor felt it would be too risky to go ahead and complete the procedure without being sure that it would be covered, knowing that the patient could be thrown into a catastrophic financial situation thereby.

Also, most hospitals in the U.S. these days are (regrettably) "for profit" and would not look favorably on a doctor performing an expensive procedure for which coverage was not pre-approved and running up bills that might not get paid.

Like it or not, the health care of most Americans is now under the control of people without medical training who are sitting in offices miles from where the care is taking place and who are probably under incredible pressure themselves to decide in favor of maximizing the company's profits rather than providing the best possible care for patients.

The choice that doctor made to scrub out and take the call was far from ideal, but she may have felt that she was stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea and literally had no choice. Would she have been able to get away with not taking the call right at that moment? Maybe? But the stakes were so high that she may not have dared take that risk.

It's incredibly fucked up, but that's where we are right now, here in the good old USA.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

This message was self-deleted by its author onecaliberal Jan 9 #1
Put that insurance worker in jail. ....he would murder the patient. Trueblue1968 Jan 9 #34
Insurance is out of control, yes; but why did the surgeon take the call mid-procedure? unblock Jan 9 #2
Don't know why the surgeon took the call. Could be cbabe Jan 9 #3
I think once the procedure has started, they should finish it and resolve any insurance matters after unblock Jan 9 #6
That sounds correct and medically best. Until lawyers and money people stick their noses in. Which is the stupid cbabe Jan 9 #8
It's amazing how some people want to put the onus on the healthcare provider. . . UniqueUserName Jan 9 #10
Yeah. Poor judgement. I wouldn't want her as my surgeon for anything more than a hangnail. 3Hotdogs Jan 9 #38
I agree in principle, but there's a major power disparity in play here that can't be ignored. ShazzieB Jan 9 #39
That's for sure, it's an incredibly f*cked up way of delivering healthcare unblock Jan 9 #40
We have that luxury. This doc was protecting the patient mahina Jan 9 #20
There was probably a very good reason. yardwork Jan 9 #26
How is a partial procedure billed?? unblock Jan 9 #28
I'm not sure I understand your question. yardwork Jan 9 #32
So what happens if half a surgery takes place, then is put on hold for more insurance questions. unblock Jan 9 #35
The insurance company probably wouldn't pay at all. yardwork Jan 9 #36
Exactly Unladen Swallow Jan 9 #33
While I don't want to criticize the surgeon, but she was not "asleep!" She was under GD ANESTHESIA!!! hlthe2b Jan 9 #4
I'm sure the surgeon fully understands the terms, but I'll give them a pass when talking to a reporter unblock Jan 9 #7
Seems kinda mean to pick on the surgeon for word use when insurance cbabe Jan 9 #9
Give me a damned break. I did not remove the insurance idiot's responsibility, but the surgeon hlthe2b Jan 9 #12
"under anesthesia" is beyond your understanding? REALLY? hlthe2b Jan 9 #13
Of course I understand it. Just saying either the surgeon or the reporter or the editor might have dumbed it down unblock Jan 9 #18
your misintepretation is beyond the pale, cbabe... hlthe2b Jan 9 #16
What the hell? I never even implied that the surgeon did NOT understand the terms. WTF? hlthe2b Jan 9 #11
Ummm. Ok. Bye now. cbabe Jan 9 #15
Gratefully... hlthe2b Jan 9 #17
I think you're reading much too much into some of the posts on this thread. unblock Jan 9 #22
I am talking about what the surgeon said to the insurance official, not a reporter. It is the surgeon's hlthe2b Jan 9 #23
I have no particular insight into that conversation except the surgeon's account as filtered through the reporting unblock Jan 9 #24
The title of your #4 had me confused -- progree Jan 9 #19
Yes... Thank you for taking the time to read & think about it rather than make the accusations hlthe2b Jan 9 #21
UHC is lying, they knew exactly what they was doing with this case. Irish_Dem Jan 9 #5
"Collins described crying .. while handling calls from desperate patients, as supervisors laughed." [UnitedHealthcare] progree Jan 9 #14
Americans don't have to stand for this. yardwork Jan 9 #25
Doesn't surprise me in the least Jilly_in_VA Jan 9 #27
And their stock was $8 up yesterday, and touted as a "market leader" Bristlecone Jan 9 #29
Fucking gross abuse of power. Evolve Dammit Jan 9 #30
This is an example of folks unable to say no. Whoever LuckyLib Jan 9 #31
I think I would second-guess the insurance company before I second-guessed the doctor. But that's just me. NBachers Jan 9 #37
Drop everything you're doing and talk to me, an insurance agent !!! KS Toronado Jan 9 #41
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Health»'Out of control': Cancer ...»Reply #39