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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. How true, how true.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:29 AM
Feb 2012

I'm old enough that I used to be thrilled every time a new Heinlein novel came out. Then, I was young enough not to question, or even notice the underlying assumptions of his novels. As I got older, and as a woman, I got so I wanted to strangle him.

I've had some interesting arguments with males about his take on females. He does an incredibly insulting thing of seeming to praise women for their strong points, and yet every single major female character wants only to get pregnant and have babies, lots of babies as soon as possible.

Now, I happily had a couple of kids and even more happily was a stay-at-home mom while they were growing up, but I get totally crazed at the idea that that's the ONLY thing a woman wants. Heck, I even get why some women want nothing at all with that scenario.

He also pre-loads all of his right wing arguments so that his take on things is the only logical or possible take on those things.

Maybe the question we should be asking is: If RAH were still alive today, who would he be campaigning for.

Oh, and on another note: in 2007 I attended the Heinlein Centennial thing in Kansas City. Fascinating on many levels. The most interesting was one workshop I attended (can no longer recall the topic) in which one attendee talked at the end of meeting RAH and Virginia and talking about what right-wing nut-cases they were. There was absolutely NO response from the panel. It was as if he'd spoken into a literal vacuum (no sound there). After, I went to him and gave him sympathy and support.

What bothered me the most about that entire thing was that RAH was being absolutely deified, and it simply wasn't right. I think I'm just as glad that I won't be around for the RAH bicentennial.

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I have a hard time with RW SF [View all] cthulu2016 Jan 2012 OP
agreed. mzteris Jan 2012 #1
Indeed quakerboy Jan 2012 #3
well said dem644555il Mar 2012 #14
What, nothing to say about L. Neil Smith ? :^D eppur_se_muova Jan 2012 #2
oooooooo, betcha you don't spend much time in the "Honorverse"! n/t TygrBright Jan 2012 #4
How true, how true. SheilaT Feb 2012 #5
His view of women is the cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #6
I didn't know about the ad thing, SheilaT Feb 2012 #7
I would stop short of chickenhawk cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #8
June 1968 Galaxy Magazine salvorhardin Feb 2012 #11
Ah, yes. ChazInAz Oct 2012 #19
I respectfully disagree about "The Mote In God's Eye" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #9
In saying "finest classic SF novel" cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #10
Hated that book. ChazInAz Oct 2012 #20
But all those things *do* take place in fictional universes . . . MrModerate Feb 2012 #12
You forgot Poul Anderson. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #13
Anyone ever read J. Neil Schulman's Alongside Night? Moe Shinola Jul 2012 #15
A few comments: bemildred Jul 2012 #16
And yet Heinlein's very first story ever, Lifeline, takes a huge swing at the insurance industry.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #17
Fred Saberhagen had a sci-fi novel mocking the Sexual Revolution Odin2005 Sep 2012 #18
I enjoyed "The War Against the Rull" back in the day Fumesucker Oct 2012 #21
i'm with you 100% mjrr_595 Oct 2012 #22
I just got back from MileHi Con in Denver. SheilaT Oct 2012 #23
I've been reading Sci-Fi books for the last 50 years jambo101 Apr 2013 #24
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