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NNadir

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4. These types of devices have operated for decades.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 10:24 AM
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Perhaps one of the most famous is the RTGs on the two Voyager spacecrafts launched in the late 1970s and still going.

The Soviets powered lighthouses on the Arctic ocean with beta RTGs 90Sr in the 1950s.

I often muse to myself if the used fuel rods at Fukushima has been stored in a thermoelectric device rather than a cooling pool, those reactors would have probably survived the tsunami.

Such an approach suggests itself for the use of 244Cm that will inevitably be available in a continuous actinide recycling program of the world is to be saved. This alpha emitting isotope has a thermal output of just shy of 3 watts per gram.

The problem with this is that nuclear energy has a very high energy to mass ratio which accounts for its superior environmental advantages which no other energy source can match. There is, at any power level, a maximum amount that can accumulate before reaching secular equibrium at which it is decaying as fast as it forms which is reached asymmtotically. This is governed by the Bateman equation, a differential equation the governs the composition of nuclear fuels.

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Science rocks! That is very, very cool. nt Phoenix61 Mar 26 #1
Good stuff! Thanks for the link! nt Wounded Bear Mar 26 #2
Atomic batteries to power, turbines to speed usonian Mar 26 #3
Ready to move out! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Mar 26 #7
Batman and his sweet ride! Dr. T Mar 26 #10
These types of devices have operated for decades. NNadir Mar 26 #4
Thank you for your as always erudite post. I had hoped you would lend your knowledge to this discussion. erronis Mar 26 #6
Sounds like they would be ideal for a continuous drain application. Old Crank Mar 26 #12
There are still people walking around today who had pacemakers... NNadir Mar 26 #20
LOL, no. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 26 #5
Don't worry. OldBaldy1701E Mar 26 #9
Chemical batteries are just one form of energy storage. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 26 #11
You made an illogical leap Bernardo de La Paz Mar 26 #17
Yeah, but the way it's written makes it sound like the major source. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 26 #19
Without nuclear power, the world dies, period NNadir Mar 26 #21
Not so. Not by a wide consensus. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 26 #23
This insipid chanting is not supported by any data has left the planet in flsmes. NNadir Mar 26 #28
If nuclear were any solution at all, fossil fuels would already be extinct. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 26 #29
The amount of money squandered on solar and wind energy since 2015... NNadir Mar 26 #30
SMH. The laws of thermodynamics are not a matter of opinion. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 26 #31
Oh, I'm getting a lecture on the laws of thermodynamics, am I? From people advocating no less batteries and... NNadir Mar 26 #32
I never mentioned hydrogen. And it's not even physically possible to deploy nuclear fast enough to save the planet. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 27 #33
Electric vehicles that don't need charging would be a game changer IronLionZion Mar 26 #8
Nuclear power. usonian Mar 26 #14
Teslas can be powered by thoughts and prayers IronLionZion Mar 26 #22
Winner! usonian Mar 26 #24
Don't get excited... mellow Mar 26 #13
Wow! Thanks for sharing this info. h2ebits Mar 26 #15
Hey my new iPhone glows in the dark! Jacson6 Mar 26 #16
I think you got frightened by the word "radiation" but you didn't look up beta radiation Bernardo de La Paz Mar 26 #18
Me thinks, Old Crank Mar 26 #25
So cool! Thanks for posting this! bif Mar 26 #26
"The research was funded by the National Research Foundation of Korea, sop Mar 26 #27
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