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plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
8. They do believe it, but you want a special definition of forever.
Sun May 29, 2022, 09:42 AM
May 2022

In human contexts even 5000 years is forever. I know for a fact that the indigenous people of the Americas were here before that. There is disagreement as to when, but not if. There are archaeologists who have truly strange religiously driven objections to when humans arrived in the Americas but mostly people want evidence. That 15000 BP number is pretty solid and you can say yes it happened, things before that start to look like special pleading. When you accept the special pleading for one case you'll have to accept it for others as well.

Try this example on, there is huge funding to prove the accuracy of the accounts of the Bible. Apparently people believe this will prove the existence of God. If you accept their special pleading you'll have to accept that the archaeological evidence for the Trojan war is stronger and they have written accounts as well. Using the special pleading, doesn't that prove the Greek Pantheon exists?

The indigenous people of the Americas where here so long ago that it is forever. If you doubt that consider that English as we know it has only existed since about 1580, and we'd have a hard time understanding them. Additionally there is no evidence that the people we call English were there 10000 years ago. People yes, English? Define that for me, they didn't speak what we'd call English so you'd have to say no.

They have to be conservative because what we are learning about American prehistory will ruffle someones feathers, be it Native Americans or biblical literalists who can't really explain how they got here at all, but insist the C14 dates are bogus and must have been contaminated.

This is a disagreement that has gone on for decades, and as with all science extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

K&R 2naSalit May 2022 #1
Have you met Dr. James Adovasio or wnylib Jun 2022 #12
I never met him... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #14
Erie PA is my hometown wnylib Jun 2022 #15
That's cool! 2naSalit Jun 2022 #16
Farmers around here often find artifacts wnylib Jun 2022 #17
My interest started early too. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #18
My focus on American archaeogy and anthropology wnylib Jun 2022 #19
Mine was a bit different. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #20
We had similarities in being exposed to other languages wnylib Jun 2022 #22
I've been listening to "Origin" Dr. Shepper May 2022 #2
The Book... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #21
The appearance of the Cuna Indians in Panama and Baitball Blogger May 2022 #3
As ever, thank you for sharing such fascinating information. Putting the book niyad May 2022 #4
I just want to chime in Higherarky May 2022 #5
Interesting... Wounded Bear May 2022 #6
I remember when Louis Leakey wnylib Jun 2022 #13
Perhaps it is easier to excuse the displacement and slaughter of the original population Chainfire May 2022 #7
They do believe it, but you want a special definition of forever. plimsoll May 2022 #8
Re: time of arrival: fascinating topic, poor article, though it does contain good info Bernardo de La Paz May 2022 #9
LOL Kali May 2022 #10
A possible outline of indigenous oral tradition research inspired by the article Bernardo de La Paz May 2022 #11
The entire subject is fascinating. The book will be on order from our Library's system shortly... Hekate Jun 2022 #23
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