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soandso

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Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:46 PM 10 hrs ago

The so-called "bullet ballots" and too many voting for president only [View all]

This comes up several times a day with the assertion that swing states had far more ballots voting for president (presumably Trump) only and skipping the rest of the ballot/voting top of the ticket exclusively. So, I finally took a look and posted the following in another thread where it's not really going to been seen much. I'm reposting here for anyone interested:

I took some random states, some swing states and some not, and compared the difference between the number of votes for president to the number of votes in their senate races. I used Decision Desk for the latest totals.

California

Presidential Votes: 15,104,778
Senate Votes: 14,638,283
Percentage Difference: ((15,104,778 - 14,638,283) / 15,104,778) * 100 ≈ 3.09%

Arizona

Presidential Votes: 3,378,651
Senate Votes: 3,337,566
Percentage Difference: ((3,378,651 - 3,337,566) / 3,378,651) * 100 ≈ 1.22%

New Mexico

Presidential Votes: 923,319
Senate Votes: 903,201
Percentage Difference: ((923,319 - 903,201) / 923,319) * 100 ≈ 2.18%

Minnesota

Presidential Votes: 3,242,938
Senate Votes: 3,186,151
Percentage Difference: ((3,242,938 - 3,186,151) / 3,242,938) * 100 ≈ 1.75%

Wisconsin

Presidential Votes: 3,415,154
Senate Votes: 3,387,420
Percentage Difference: ((3,415,154 - 3,387,420) / 3,415,154) * 100 ≈ 0.81%

Washington

Presidential Votes: 3,845,914
Senate Votes: 3,752,419
Percentage Difference: ((3,845,914 - 3,752,419) / 3,845,914) * 100 ≈ 2.43%

Texas

Presidential Votes: 11,559,607
Senate Votes: 11,269,112
Percentage Difference: ((11,559,607 - 11,269,112) / 11,559,607) * 100 ≈ 2.51%

Pennsylvania

Presidential Votes: 7,025,367
Senate Votes: 6,953,319
Percentage Difference: ((7,025,367 - 6,953,319) / 7,025,367) * 100 ≈ 1.03%

Virginia

Presidential Votes: 4,482,075
Senate Votes: 4,436,419
Percentage Difference: ((4,482,075 - 4,436,419) / 4,482,075) * 100 ≈ 1.02%

Ohio

Presidential Votes: 5,647,668
Senate Votes: 5,585,865
Percentage Difference: ((5,647,668 - 5,585,865) / 5,647,668) * 100 ≈ 1.09%


As you can see, the swing states did NOT have a greater %age difference in top of the ticket and down ballot. In fact, it's California (blue state) that has the greatest discrepancy and Wisconsin (swing state) the lowest.

https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/
https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/US-Senate/

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Was just about to ask you in the other thread to make this an OP Sympthsical 10 hrs ago #1
I hope it adds a bit of clarity soandso 10 hrs ago #2
What does that even mean? Define %age difference, I don't know what you're talking about. bucolic_frolic 10 hrs ago #3
The percentage difference between soandso 10 hrs ago #5
It's the percentage of votes cast in the presidential race in excess of the votes cast in the Senate race onenote 10 hrs ago #7
And what this reveals soandso 9 hrs ago #25
Yep. There are lots of low information voters who simply choose not to vote in a race they probably don't know onenote 8 hrs ago #63
I'm good with that soandso 8 hrs ago #76
Thanks, but don't expect 2024 "election deniers" to accept facts. Silent Type 10 hrs ago #4
The scare quotes should be dropped. Igel 9 hrs ago #48
So you mean the spoon guy is full of crap? Who could have guessed? tritsofme 10 hrs ago #6
IIRC, he was claiming software was hacked soandso 10 hrs ago #8
He has made lots of baseless claims, I'll give you that. tritsofme 10 hrs ago #10
It's up to the people peddling this crap to show back up HereForTheParty 10 hrs ago #11
This guy? JanMichael 8 hrs ago #75
thank you for posting this. Takket 10 hrs ago #9
My pleasure soandso 9 hrs ago #19
Not the same ERW 7 hrs ago #83
first post huh? funny all these low post count numbers trying to whip up DU into an election conspiracy frenzy Takket 7 hrs ago #93
Your analysis is just meaningless numbers... SnoopDog 10 hrs ago #12
If a bullet ballot SickOfTheOnePct 10 hrs ago #15
How about the House votes? SnoopDog 9 hrs ago #51
It doesn't matter SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #56
Well, the Senate race in PA was important too SnoopDog 8 hrs ago #68
You don't seem to understand what a "bullet ballot" is. onenote 8 hrs ago #78
Right...bad guys would think to themselves... SnoopDog 7 hrs ago #80
So why didn't they steal the Senate races in Arizona and Wisconsin too? tritsofme 7 hrs ago #86
The guy pushing the conspiracy theory that the race was stolen is using that definition EdmondDantes_ 7 hrs ago #87
Spoonamore provided the definition: onenote 7 hrs ago #91
By definition, a so called "bullet ballot" does not include... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #79
See above post 80... SnoopDog 7 hrs ago #81
Your post 80 is exactly right, which means... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #94
Concerning serious reflection and analysis.... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #96
Thank you for the article! n/t Ms. Toad 3 hrs ago #103
Yeah, how about those soandso 8 hrs ago #61
lol, right...These are actual numbers, unlike the Spoon guy's make-believe numbers. tritsofme 10 hrs ago #16
lol soandso 9 hrs ago #21
Are you a mathematician? An election specialist? Statistician? SnoopDog 9 hrs ago #53
The numbers I posted are those posted by the states soandso 8 hrs ago #66
I'm not, but let me ask you this... do you think the DNC employs such people? Takket 7 hrs ago #84
I don't know.... Does the Democractic Party have any leadership? SnoopDog 7 hrs ago #90
Yeah, it's crazy that some swing states showed as much as 5% and 7% of "President Only" ballots.. Think. Again. 10 hrs ago #13
The numbers provided in the OP SickOfTheOnePct 10 hrs ago #14
Oddly enough... Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #26
But Spoonamore says it's 7% in Arizona SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #35
Lake is the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #42
I'm not sure why you think that matters in any way? Not everyone votes a straight ticket. tritsofme 9 hrs ago #45
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #47
maybe Kari Lake should be the one asking for a recount then LOL Takket 7 hrs ago #88
All this means is that a bunch of Trump voters also voted for Gallego. tritsofme 9 hrs ago #38
All that shows is that people split tickets soandso 9 hrs ago #41
And neither do you. Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #43
I never made any claim that necessitated access to ballots soandso 9 hrs ago #49
This just demonstrates split tickets Abnredleg 9 hrs ago #44
States prevent split ballots? Igel 9 hrs ago #50
lol...wow. There's no evidence to support the claim, but here's some guy who called into a radio show. tritsofme 10 hrs ago #18
Post removed Post removed 9 hrs ago #27
There is certainly a group of folks who are eager to be scammed tritsofme 9 hrs ago #29
Feel free to check my math in post # 26 Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #31
Your math in post #26 has nothing to do with the claim that there was an inordinate number of bullet ballots. onenote 7 hrs ago #85
But remember: " His number estimates aren't important" muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #23
How about instead of relying on somebody else soandso 9 hrs ago #24
See post #26 Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #33
Actual numbers just aren't backing the claim. paleotn 8 hrs ago #65
And after viewing the interview again... Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #69
There's a dozen ways to slice and dice the data, but no smoking gun so far. paleotn 8 hrs ago #72
How are we supposed to avoid the emotions of the election results if we can't claim the results are fraudulent? Fiendish Thingy 10 hrs ago #17
It's this OP that is wrong, they used the numbers from both Dem and red ballots together. Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #32
The bullet ballots are the reason we won so many close Gov. Senate and House races Fiendish Thingy 9 hrs ago #20
Exactly right soandso 9 hrs ago #22
I'd say over 9% is a big excess of bullet ballots (see post # 26). Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #30
It would be SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #39
I saw your post and addressed it soandso 9 hrs ago #46
You do realize that our lack of the actual ballots... Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #52
You don't need to see the ballots SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #58
Explain what those numbers mean please? Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #60
What position? soandso 8 hrs ago #64
close races don't need huge numbers ERW 7 hrs ago #89
True enough soandso 7 hrs ago #97
Hi, you used numbers from both Dem and red ballots... Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #28
Show your work soandso 9 hrs ago #34
See post # 26 Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #36
No you didn't Zeitghost 4 hrs ago #100
Nope SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #37
Lake was the only red Senate candidate on the ballot. Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #40
So what? SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #54
And many republicans didn't like her and voted for the democratic jimfields33 9 hrs ago #55
And then how did the green Senate candidate end up with over 50k more than stein? Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #59
Many voters think the environment is priority jimfields33 8 hrs ago #62
So you think some trump voters also voted for the green senate candidate? Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #70
People splitting tickets differently than you think they should have is not evidence of fraud. tritsofme 8 hrs ago #71
Actually, I may be heading that way... Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #74
No. jimfields33 7 hrs ago #92
Because there will have been people who voted Trump for president, and Quintana (Green) for senator muriel_volestrangler 13 min ago #104
I don't think that's the claim at all. Igel 9 hrs ago #57
So (please correct me if I'm wrong)... Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #67
Yes wanderer54 12 min ago #105
Good job Cirsium 8 hrs ago #73
It's not the right soandso 8 hrs ago #77
yes, understood Cirsium 7 hrs ago #82
I don't know why they would would soandso 7 hrs ago #95
Well, that is depressing Cirsium 4 hrs ago #101
What's depressing? soandso 3 hrs ago #102
Paper ballot judge, here Maeve 6 hrs ago #98
Jeez soandso 4 hrs ago #99
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