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H2O Man

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50. Bob was close
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 07:00 PM
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with Rubin at that time. His writing block was from being too close emotionally. Jacques knew what type of lyrics Dylan was looking for. There is a live version of the song with Levy's original lyrics that lawyers insisted needed to be changed, which were for the LP version. The lawyers were correct, and were aware the Patterson powers-that-be would encourage a couple people to sue.

Patty Valentine did sue, because the song made her "sad." Poor thing! Put away the bottle and tell the truth, and you might cheer up. She was the daughter of a close friend of the lead investigator on the case, and told whatever lie Vince fed to her. By the time the Caruso file was finally accessed, we knew she had lied about everything she said on the stand. More, one of the first officers on the scene told me that she was a pathological liar. Really just a pathetic liar.

The lawyers were concerned Bradley would sue. Levy did make a small mistake in one lyric mentioning him. It's worth noting that after telling the truth in '74, he would no longer lie for the police and prosecutor. He paid for that. He was firm in saying that he never saw Rubin or John Artis. And that the lead detective had called the gunmen "Muslim assassins" early on. Rubin was not Muslim, and certainly not in the Nation of Islam.

Over the years, Bello swore to a total of 14 different versions of what happened that night.

It's interesting that Malcolm was murdered by two men, wearing suits, one with a shotgun, the other with a pistol. The crime Rubin and John were convicted by two men wearing suits, one with a shotgun, the other a pistol. The man who confessed on his deathbed to being the one Rubin was accused of being was in the NOI. I could go one and on!

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*Just a quick note: wolfie001 Sunday #1
First I knew. I'm done with Dylan then. Captain Zero Sunday #2
Thank You! wolfie001 Sunday #3
Yup, the answer my friend is blowin in the wind... I'm done too!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sunday #82
Well said!!! wolfie001 Sunday #112
Doesn't bother me a bit Fiendish Thingy Sunday #4
Keep denying what's in front of your own eyes wolfie001 Sunday #6
Recording a song written by a gay man for a Reagan biopic isn't an endorsement of Reagan's evils Fiendish Thingy Sunday #14
He doesn't really deserve any more accolades from us Dems wolfie001 Sunday #16
OK. I've read enough to try to discern vanlassie Sunday #96
Yes, if you came to the conclusion that he just doesn't give a f6ck wolfie001 Sunday #102
Google Sundown On The Union by Bob Dylan. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #183
"Union Sundown" and "Workingman's Blues #2" tetedur Monday #208
I'm a Union man, worked a Union job and retired on a Union pension wolfie001 Tuesday #216
FYI, Dan Lauria was in the movie playing Tip O'Neill Wiz Imp Monday #206
He's not the greatest lyricist in the last 100 years synni Sunday #66
If you say so Fiendish Thingy Sunday #67
Hey, hey there's no need to group arcade fire and Radiohead fujiyamasan Sunday #87
I just picked the first three.. Fiendish Thingy Sunday #122
Sprawl 2 is an amazing song so phht. JanMichael Monday #138
RH is overrated? wolfie001 Monday #162
I'm not mad at Radiohead Fiendish Thingy Monday #181
"Please don't embarrass me motherfucker..." SC rubbersole Monday #142
'Creep" is iconic wolfie001 Monday #161
Creep was plagiarized from the Hollies "the Air That I Breathe" Fiendish Thingy Monday #179
Hey, aren't they British? wolfie001 Tuesday #233
Bob Dylan TnDem Sunday #83
I heard Bernie voted for trump too. A-Schwarzenegger Sunday #89
This must be snark wolfie001 Sunday #103
lol wolfie001 Monday #160
Who are the greatest lyricists of the past one hundred years? DemocratSinceBirth Monday #184
My favorite live version of Hurricane. it's a work of art DoBW Sunday #81
Brilliant performance. Thanks for posting it! highplainsdem Sunday #133
The whole gig .... DoBW Monday #186
He loved President Obama, talked him up at some of his concerts, and received the Medal of Freedom from him. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #180
He's not MAGA Fiendish Thingy Monday #182
I don't believe he's MAGA wolfie001 Tuesday #213
He's not BannonsLiver Monday #190
Send this over to the OP DemocratSinceBirth Monday #197
He isn't MAGA, and in fact does not believe in politics or labels, and people will find he says very little about lostincalifornia Tuesday #254
To me markodochartaigh Sunday #5
Thank you!!! wolfie001 Sunday #8
It's not up to celebrities to save democracy - that's our job. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #15
As an American, I beg to differ wolfie001 Sunday #17
You seem to think some hands are more important than others Fiendish Thingy Sunday #22
Saying something pro Freedom into his microphone..... wolfie001 Sunday #23
re: artists TnDem Sunday #39
It can't be held against him for not speaking out. He stopped protest music nearly 60 years ago. Also... themaguffin Monday #195
dont get me started on raygun and what he did to ca and sag aftra. took us years to recover from his bs. AllaN01Bear Sunday #7
The asshole worked hand-in -hand with Senator McCarthy for christo-psycho sakes!!! wolfie001 Sunday #11
I remember finding out a few decades ago that he was suffering from I got mine to hell with you syndrome. nt ImNotGod Sunday #9
Yes! My personal, "He's a greedy asshole" detector is bleeping quite loudly wolfie001 Sunday #12
Isn't he really old ? Maybe he is too tired to do anything JI7 Sunday #10
He wasn't that old when the fat orange imbecile rode the elevator down in the tRUMP Tower (2015) wolfie001 Sunday #13
Joan Baez and Neil Young are really old too DBoon Sunday #18
Those 2 are great folk singers I respect! wolfie001 Monday #148
I have no Dylan worship beyond respecting his musical past; but we are upset because he allowed song in a Reagan movie? hlthe2b Sunday #19
I guess his not lifting a finger in opposition to rayguns and tRUMP is "No biggie" wolfie001 Sunday #21
You did not read my full post, obviously because I addressed what appears to be his lack of response to Trump, BUT hlthe2b Sunday #24
I saw an interview Quaid gave discussing tRUMP and...... wolfie001 Sunday #109
"F6ck Bob Dylan!" A-Schwarzenegger Sunday #76
6 is also a Cyrillic letter nocoincidences Sunday #88
I took it as a sub for u. A-Schwarzenegger Sunday #90
I have been throwing out the expletives frequently here lately wolfie001 Sunday #110
Ironically, Neil Young was a huge Bonzo fan at the time... regnaD kciN Sunday #31
Correct. Neil Young, for some inexplicable reason was a supporter of Reagan himself Wiz Imp Sunday #49
He probably had Union relatives that got hammered wolfie001 Sunday #113
Neil also has the advantage of being a lot more enjoyable to listen to than Dylan BeyondGeography Tuesday #227
I was a young idiot when 'Heart of Stone' was released wolfie001 Tuesday #235
I love them both but at some point I realized I listened to Neil more than anyone BeyondGeography Tuesday #238
I'll have to do a deep dive wolfie001 Tuesday #240
That's a matter of taste Retrograde Tuesday #278
He might be a Trumper or he might not be newdeal2 Sunday #20
"As vocal"? Really? wolfie001 Sunday #25
If there's one thing about Bob Dylan that I can assure you, or anyone else for that matter Docreed2003 Sunday #26
I only saw Babs and "old bob" wolfie001 Sunday #114
So the thing that got you so hopping mad was a thread that just mentioned Dylan's name muriel_volestrangler Monday #191
I think BD is so far above ANY of the other musicians who performed on that "thing" wolfie001 Tuesday #224
Just stop orangecrush Sunday #27
If he ever says something to support freedom and/or Democracy and/or women's rights wolfie001 Sunday #117
Why Is He Obligated RobinA Monday #199
My guess would be that he does not speak out because he recognizes that LuckyCharms Sunday #28
OP's rant-a-thon sounds a lot more personal than political. A-Schwarzenegger Sunday #86
Not really. I love "Shelter From the Storm"! wolfie001 Monday #149
Naw, I dont think you really give a hoot about Dylan either way. A-Schwarzenegger Monday #200
It's the second time I've said something about BD's silence wolfie001 Tuesday #222
i feel your pain, man. A-Schwarzenegger Tuesday #228
Truly an enigmatic character! wolfie001 Tuesday #232
Guess he blew with the wind Aviation Pro Sunday #29
There is not one iota of evidence mcar Sunday #59
LOL! You're so CORRECT!!! wolfie001 Monday #150
"I think he pulled the lever for tRUMP in Nov. 2024" flvegan Sunday #30
Exactly. Smearing by inference... Now who else does that? hlthe2b Sunday #33
Sitting on the sidelines and never saying anything about tRUMP since he rode down the escalator in 2015 wolfie001 Monday #154
Well, I agree that your making assumptions based on an absence of evidence is very much like the hlthe2b Monday #171
It's a hard rain a gonna fall. gab13by13 Sunday #32
Are we still allowed to say "chillin' like Dylan" or is that verboten too? Blues Heron Sunday #34
You should only use the expression after you finish filing your taxes correctly wolfie001 Monday #163
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Sunday #35
I don't care Texasgal Sunday #36
I do wolfie001 Monday #164
It's always been Dylan's style... Mike Nelson Sunday #37
Hurricane Mike Nelson Sunday #40
Bob wrote H2O Man Sunday #42
Ah... Mike Nelson Sunday #45
Bob was close H2O Man Sunday #50
Thank you... Mike Nelson Sunday #57
It was cast H2O Man Sunday #61
I seriously doubt that Wiz Imp Sunday #53
Here's a clue: H2O Man Sunday #60
Interesting that Jacques Levy himself has seemed to contradict your claim Wiz Imp Sunday #64
Er, not at all. H2O Man Sunday #65
🙂‍↔️😏🙄 Wiz Imp Sunday #94
It's okay. H2O Man Sunday #106
Maybe you can get Charlie Kirk to autograph some memorabilia from the "masterful rayguns doc" wolfie001 Sunday #99
Good gravy Hekate Sunday #38
There would seem to be H2O Man Sunday #43
IKR!? sheshe2 Sunday #93
When he's covered in dirt, I'll forgive him wolfie001 Sunday #104
I think thats a leap Samael13 Sunday #41
Bob Dylan owes you nothing TheProle Sunday #44
And he can go fuck off. Oh, and JK Rowling too wolfie001 Sunday #100
Nah, to have hurt my feelings TheProle Sunday #132
Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #135
Don't care if it "gains traction" here wolfie001 Monday #145
Then why are you beating it to a bloody pulp? What the hell? Are you going to hang around telling us about ... Hekate 1 hr ago #288
I love things that are unintentionally hilarious. BannonsLiver Sunday #46
Thanks for the reality check. Mike 03 Sunday #48
Speaking of unintentionally hilarious... Fiendish Thingy Sunday #71
I just keep imagining the OP having this conversation with somebody. BannonsLiver Monday #143
I just visit DU and vent wolfie001 Monday #158
Bless your heart. BannonsLiver Monday #205
lol wolfie001 Tuesday #214
Can't wait to see the next totally irrational takedown! BannonsLiver Tuesday #256
C'mon man? lol wolfie001 Tuesday #267
No seriously! BannonsLiver Tuesday #269
That astrological cray cray? wolfie001 Tuesday #270
You need to go after Fred Rogers Wolfie! BannonsLiver Tuesday #271
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Monday #210
I gotta admit this thread has me chuckling fujiyamasan Sunday #92
It's even better when the lead is nuttier than squirrel shit. BannonsLiver Monday #137
I'm just happy you read it and maybe see some of the disconnect associated with his public persona wolfie001 Monday #151
Oh I see plenty of disconnect alright. BannonsLiver Monday #209
Again, lol wolfie001 Tuesday #215
It's very hard to believe the man who wrote "Caribbean Wind" and "Brownsville Girl" Mike 03 Sunday #47
Would be nice if he presented a shred of insight wolfie001 Monday #152
Wolfie who? Itchinjim Sunday #51
Judas! BluesRunTheGame Sunday #54
Well now you know! wolfie001 Monday #153
I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table and say... BluesRunTheGame Sunday #52
And what about Ersel Hickey? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #70
It's gonna be a pretty long list. BluesRunTheGame Sunday #74
What!?!? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #75
It's possible that he's Ted Nugent's bass player... BluesRunTheGame Sunday #77
It must be true, because I read it on the internet... Fiendish Thingy Sunday #78
Really, if you're an artist and having spoken out publicly about the nazi tRUMP regime..... wolfie001 Tuesday #217
Purity Control OC375 Sunday #55
A simple sentence, something wolfie001 Tuesday #231
Bob Dylan is an asshole with no principles Mysterian Sunday #56
Sure TnDem Sunday #85
Not all of us Mysterian Sunday #95
The whole story behind "The Band's" royalty contracts wolfie001 Sunday #121
THANK YOU!!! wolfie001 Sunday #98
You think he voted for FOTUS? mcar Sunday #58
There is Zero evidence Bob Dylan has ever supported Donald Trump Wiz Imp Sunday #62
Don't let truth and reality get in the way of a vigorous recreational outrage session. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sunday #68
Everyone with any amount of empathy reacted as BD did to that murder wolfie001 Tuesday #239
As if your previous rantings weren't enough, you just showed how serious anyone should take anything Wiz Imp Tuesday #242
I guess it's just too hard on the feels wolfie001 Tuesday #244
75. Sad 🙄😖😱🤯🤐 Wiz Imp Tuesday #246
Well, you read this thread wolfie001 Tuesday #247
I wish we didn't learn about their politics TinyBlueDot Sunday #63
Dude was drugging himself and working with Nixon's anti-drug campaign wolfie001 Monday #156
He's dead to me! egduj Sunday #69
Yeah, I don't care about this silly original post and will continue to listen to Dylan's music. themaguffin Monday #194
Maybe one of his handlers will read the post and he'll say a word or two wolfie001 Tuesday #265
I think that it's stupid that he would be involved in the Reagan movie, but it's not enough to fume about. themaguffin Yesterday #284
It's silly to assume Dylan voted for Trump. Also silly to cite a hallucinating chatbot like Google's AI highplainsdem Sunday #72
Agreed SheltieLover Sunday #73
What you fail to grasp is the totality of the situation in the US right now wolfie001 Sunday #107
What about the surviving Beatles? And Yoko? Fiendish Thingy Sunday #124
2 Brits and a Japanese person? Why can't we focus on "old bob the rebel-free spirit"? wolfie001 Monday #146
They all live in the US Fiendish Thingy Monday #178
I'm still miffed on how she broke up the Fabulous 4! wolfie001 Tuesday #236
What I "fail to grasp"? You've been here nearly as long as I have, but have posted only 1/10 as much. highplainsdem Sunday #131
Thanks for noticing! wolfie001 Tuesday #237
"Pardon me but get it through your thick skull please..." That kind of nasty personal attack shouldn't be highplainsdem Tuesday #241
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #245
It's clear you think your nastiness is cute and that you enjoy baiting people. Your kind of behavior highplainsdem Tuesday #249
Let's see wolfie001 Tuesday #252
An OP that's an AI summary? No thanks. chia Sunday #79
I have no dog in this fight Keepthesoulalive Sunday #80
OH fer ch's sake! elleng Sunday #84
Really? Renew Deal Sunday #91
This song seems highly appropriate. Tarzanrock Sunday #97
You've. Got. To. Be. Kidding. nt scipan Sunday #101
NOT EVERYONE can be Bruce Springsteen..... ! Jack Valentino Sunday #105
these lyrics remind me of every MAGAt I know Skittles Sunday #115
Bruce is a fearless hero rebel wolfie001 Monday #165
Here's another Dylan song that predicted today, listen to the lyrics gab13by13 Sunday #108
One of my favorite Dylan songs, along with this one: MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #120
So here's my take, MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #111
So I guess that we should now smear the late Tom Petty because he used Confederate flags MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #116
If he were still alive right now, I think he would've retired that flag wolfie001 Sunday #119
Maybe, maybe not MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #123
That's from 1985 or so wolfie001 Sunday #125
I don't know and neither do you, after all, he is dead, so he can't say whether or not he would. MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #126
Corrected my spelling. lol wolfie001 Monday #147
He already did, long before his death. Tommy Carcetti Monday #174
There is a tell who hates Dylan gab13by13 Sunday #118
Maybe when he read and saw the hate, he shied away instead of speaking out against it wolfie001 Monday #166
This message was self-deleted by its author wcmagumba Sunday #127
So what if he's a rich dude, MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #134
And he switched from nylon strings to steel strings... LastDemocratInSC Sunday #128
LOL!! MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #129
! Kali Monday #185
You do you. I'll do me. NBachers Sunday #130
lol wolfie001 Monday #167
You found way to distract a certain demographic from criticizing others as nonsensical or kooks Ilikepurple Monday #136
God, that show was so great! wolfie001 Monday #168
I've always thought Dylan was over hyped GenThePerservering Monday #139
Purity Testing Bob Dylan? Give me a break! comradebillyboy Monday #140
Just wondering why he hasn't thrown anyone a "life-preserver"....... wolfie001 Monday #170
Dylan never claimed to be a revolutionary. delisen Monday #141
I grew up during his era. That IS NOT how he was presented in the media wolfie001 Monday #144
I grew up in the 60's, played in a band even. gab13by13 Monday #157
I of course would welcome any former republican that turned Democratic wolfie001 Monday #159
I know that this thread is about Bob johnnyfins Monday #155
I didn't even realize the movie hasn't come out yet wolfie001 Monday #169
It's already been released, like a year ago. BannonsLiver Monday #188
The rating for the movie on rotten tomatoes is 18% Wiz Imp Monday #201
That will keep me smiling ALL WEEK!!! wolfie001 Tuesday #220
For the OP and those who agree, where do you shop? Which supermarket? Which online stores? Doodley Monday #172
I shop Union grocery wolfie001 Tuesday #219
That's very impressive! Everything you wrote, including losing weight and the wedding suit still fitting! Congrats! Doodley Tuesday #223
Love that! wolfie001 Tuesday #225
He had me at "Masters of War" MineralMan Monday #173
I'll probably just keep separating the art and the artist Torchlight Monday #175
I stopped listening to Clapton when I realized he doesn't just 'appropriate', he steals. GoneOffShore Tuesday #226
Bayreuth Wagner? wolfie001 Tuesday #234
No one can be apolitical anymore. Not now. paleotn Monday #176
Not everyone's going to be an activist. Tommy Carcetti Monday #177
IMO Bob Dylan has always been over-rated and a bit of an asshole. Happy Hoosier Monday #187
Update: The comments are equally unintentionally hilarious! BannonsLiver Monday #189
Oh ok everybody someone on the Internet "thinks" something about Dylan, so go burn your records. Oof. themaguffin Monday #192
Yeah, if Bob comes around here wanting any homage he can pay for it himself. betsuni Monday #193
This was certainly a way to kill a few minutes during lunch Blue_Adept Monday #196
He should e-mail his representatives about his animus towards Bob Dylan. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #198
Why stop with an email? MorbidButterflyTat Monday #203
It would probably be more helpful ... Tarzanrock Monday #204
What if he did it simultaneously? DemocratSinceBirth Tuesday #243
Not really personal. Ironically, I loved the man when I was younger wolfie001 Tuesday #221
Dylan 'overhyped' -- yeah, sure! Tarzanrock Monday #202
I never said he was over-hyped wolfie001 Tuesday #263
I guess we need to boycott Anthony Hopkins as well Wiz Imp Monday #207
I got "a hint" for you: wolfie001 Tuesday #218
I liked his work with Johnny Cash. DemocratSinceBirth Monday #211
Johnny Cash left us too early to work with him, but we stole some of his DNA just in case DFW Tuesday #230
Dylan can't be categorized. Don't Fence Him In. Just Listen. thought crime Tuesday #212
I listen to U2 and they seem involved. Many others too wolfie001 Tuesday #268
Original post is a 'stretch' by any definition. Joinfortmill Tuesday #229
At this point, if listening to Bob Dylan gives someone Bettie Tuesday #248
Of course wolfie001 Tuesday #250
This has really become a "Look at meeee!" clusterf*ck. Heidi Tuesday #251
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Tuesday #253
The complete lack of self awareness is the best part. BannonsLiver Tuesday #255
It'd be funny if it weren't so sad. Heidi Tuesday #257
I said that in another post on this thread. BannonsLiver Tuesday #258
When we know better, we do better. Heidi Tuesday #259
I tried. A-Schwarzenegger Tuesday #260
Y'all are like the Dem version of Susan Collins wolfie001 Tuesday #262
On Old DU, that post would have been gone in 30 seconds. A-Schwarzenegger Tuesday #273
Me? Being edgy? wolfie001 Tuesday #261
Never thought I'd see the day when people on this site would dump on Dylan. ificandream Tuesday #264
Pretty sure we're already back in the 1950s at this point wolfie001 Tuesday #266
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Tuesday #272
Fella could use a break. A-Schwarzenegger Tuesday #274
I think we all could at this point lol BannonsLiver Tuesday #275
lol indeed A-Schwarzenegger Tuesday #276
He has been rightwing since the 60s IbogaProject Tuesday #277
The problem with the angry, vocal, uber-Left in this country ... Tarzanrock Yesterday #279
Bull shit ... marble falls Yesterday #280
Poor OP's done gone. A-Schwarzenegger Yesterday #282
Why was he so popular, anyway? kudzukimchi Yesterday #281
which lyricists impress the properly educated, in your estimation? thebigidea Yesterday #283
Ph.D. in American Literature here. RedArkGuy Yesterday #285
Jesus, what a thread. You mean this guy? https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220454643#post15 Hekate 8 hrs ago #286
Thanks, Hekate & Wiz Imp! A-Schwarzenegger 5 hrs ago #287
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