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Johnny2X2X

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8. It's really disheartening to see people manipulated

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2025, 10:51 AM

Jun 30

I am here in Michigan, and the flip in votes in Dearborn and Hamtramack alone from Biden in 2020 to Trump in 2024 flipped the whole state.

I believe there were a lot of misled people and a concerted disinformation effort around Trump and Palestine. And I believe some Muslim leaders in these places may have been paid off.

A vote for Trump on the issue of Gaza means you voted for the complete and total destruction of Gaza where every single man women and child who lives there will be either exterminated or ejected. That is the BiBi/Trump plan, they literally told us their exact plan. They plan to develop the land into resorts after every single Gazan is gone., so I don't want to hear hope of peace or cease fires, they will be only temporary because a cease fire doesn't further the plan.

Gaza is gone, the 2024 US election guaranteed that. Nothing can save it now.

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The idea you would stay home and not vote for Kamala Harris because of Gaza [View all] Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 OP

And similarly.... yardwork Jun 30 #1

All I know is I support every Democrat in every election Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 #3

This! yardwork Jun 30 #7

Yep. Absolutely. calimary Jun 30 #14

And the proof is looking us all dead in the eye. C Moon Jun 30 #18

I remember when Nina Turner was running for Congress a few years ago Polybius Jun 30 #12

That's another reason fellow progressives should have always supported the Democratic nominee. W_HAMILTON Jun 30 #23

Thats probably more of a Michigan problem than anything else SSJVegeta Jun 30 #2

I 100% agree with you. I have family who are magats. Makes for a lousy get together. OLDMDDEM Jun 30 #4

You have my sympathies. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 30 #58

We need a divide and conquer strategy to tag the GOP with bucolic_frolic Jun 30 #5

I suggest they repeat the fact that the convicted idiot paid Justice matters. Jun 30 #15

Kamala Harris's 107 day campaign theme was literally "Freedom", she even used Beyonce's PunkinPi Jun 30 #20

THANK YOU. betsuni Jun 30 #29

YW, betsuni! PunkinPi Jun 30 #31

Yeah, thanks for absolutely NOTHING, non-voters. Paladin Jun 30 #6

It's really disheartening to see people manipulated Johnny2X2X Jun 30 #8

Yeah, that decision isn't aging well, is it? Baitball Blogger Jun 30 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 2 #83

I interact with plenty of these kinds of people ITAL Jun 30 #10

Yup. Bluesky and /reddit are full of those voters Arazi Jun 30 #11

All the more reason why I will never interact with them Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 #13

It's like a personal religion for them. They don't even seem to care about JI7 Jun 30 #16

Yes... it's a cult-like virtue signaling. Very selfish. It's another variation of the "all or nothing" philosophy * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #52

They think Trump is better for the Palestian people than Harris Martin Eden Jul 1 #77

Not that exactly ITAL Jul 1 #78

Logically, if there is no "meaningful difference" then the Gaza issue is a wash Martin Eden Jul 1 #79

Again ITAL Jul 1 #80

I would have thought that compassion for human suffering motivated them on Gaza Martin Eden Jul 1 #81

I think that the reason Kamala didn't get elected is more complicated than that. 1WorldHope Jun 30 #17

You said it!!! brakester Jun 30 #21

Yes, the election was rigged, but are you saying supporting Harris was pro-genocide? Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 #26

You're right, I was not saying a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide. 1WorldHope Jun 30 #34

Good to hear Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 #60

I am making my way through this, since I've had like a 10% not sure electric_blue68 Jul 1 #75

Politics & Boxing H2O Man Jun 30 #19

Happy to kick this mcar Jun 30 #22

The representative who encouraged the so-called "Uncommitted" movement has been absent * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #24

Are you referring to the 2024 election and Gaza? I dont recal who that or they were exactly, I just Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 #25

Yes. And I remember that, too. Many chose to NOT vote for the Democrat and chose instead to * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #27

They made a similar mistake progressives made in 2016 AZProgressive Jun 30 #35

If someone voted Green, or didn't vote... they're really not "loyal" are they? Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #38

Oh, yeah..."punish the Democrats "...Welp, now Most of Us are/will be being punished by the stuff drumphf/Repuglicans... electric_blue68 Jun 30 #62

The north remembers... PunkinPi Jun 30 #32

IS THAT LEGIT?? Did he really endorse the "leave it blank" movement? OMG! Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #36

I believe he scrubbed his Xitter acct, specifically "uncommited", there are more... PunkinPi Jun 30 #39

Wow! The thing about voting for "uncommitted" or "leaving it blank" even in a primary... Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #43

I'd like to know too mcar Jun 30 #41

If true, it certainly explains a lot of the lukewarm reactions from loyal party members * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #44

See post #45, I found the actual tweet. nt PunkinPi Jun 30 #47

I actually just found the tweet itself, maybe I typo'd when searching... PunkinPi Jun 30 #45

Well, this helps to explain the hedging and verbal acrobatics that I've been observing * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #48

It sure does, Oopsie mcar Jun 30 #49

So he did encourage people to sit out the 2024 over Gaza? Eliot Rosewater Jun 30 #69

The Big fucking Problem is. Cha Jun 30 #73

Disgusting Polybius Jul 1 #82

"We didn't vote for Kamala because of Gaza, but now that Democrats are in the minority, why won't they stop Trump?" sop Jun 30 #28

EXACTLY! Ain't that some stupid shit? 😡🤬😠 Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #51

Good question MorbidButterflyTat Jun 30 #65

And even now they are respectful towards Trump JI7 Jun 30 #72

Thank you, I agree totally wendyb-NC Jun 30 #30

They were MAGA adjacent Keepthesoulalive Jun 30 #33

Muslims specifically voted for Democrats since 2004 AZProgressive Jun 30 #37

Where are the protests now Keepthesoulalive Jun 30 #40

I thought "grassroots" movements didn't disappear the day after an election. betsuni Jun 30 #46

They're doing "strongly worded letters" now... PunkinPi Jun 30 #53

THAT MorbidButterflyTat Jun 30 #67

Their strongly worded letters have imaginary The Arc of History Will Prove Me Right So Obey Or Else powers betsuni Jul 1 #74

They may be afraid of getting deported or disappearing now. 1WorldHope Jun 30 #56

Many of them were born in the United States. Keepthesoulalive Jun 30 #57

You have the impression that I am making excuses for their indifference to the suffering of the people of gaza? 1WorldHope Jun 30 #59

I am making the statement Keepthesoulalive Jun 30 #61

How did their vote lead to a genocide? mcar Jun 30 #42

All this blind groping around for theories brakester Jun 30 #50

The first thing to do is have human beings examine the votes and count them publicly questionseverything Jun 30 #54

I hear that's a really hot and trendy position for New York City pols. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #55

It Sure DIDN'T HELP!!! Plus every Dem who DIDN'T Vote for Whatever PATHETIC Excuse!!! electric_blue68 Jun 30 #63

You're not alone MorbidButterflyTat Jun 30 #68

Ty electric_blue68 Jun 30 #71

These people voted for the destruction of Gaza LetMyPeopleVote Jun 30 #64

It may have been "because of Gaza" for a very few Bettie Jun 30 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 30 #70

My small town (less than 12,000) voted for Trump over Harris. no_hypocrisy Jul 1 #76