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AloeVera

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153. Gaza was crushed while Biden was in office.

Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:43 AM

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The elephant in the room and the whole point of the Uncommitted Movement. The policy enabling the crushing of Gaza and the slaughter of tens of thousands of women and children had terrible consequences, and not changing it was a risk both Biden and Harris took.

By the time Trump came into office Gaza was no longer able to support its population. Everything needed was already destroyed.

Just sayin'.

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Zohran Mamdani supported the Uncommitted movement against Joe Biden? [View all] PeaceWave Monday OP

Hmmph well isn't that a kick in the teeth.. Peacetrain Monday #1

I'll say the same thing to you choie Monday #2

"c'mon man" ? Now you know it's a fresh young Progressive to kick around. Autumn Monday #5

People seem to forget the Uncommitted Movement was in the primaries as a way to try to influence candidates on Gaza. Nanjeanne Monday #22

The more I hear him talk, the more I learn about him, I admire him more. Autumn Monday #29

Once a voter has been convinced to disengage from the primary, they're not returning for the General. Oopsie Daisy Monday #38

Oh really? I didn't know that. I was disengaged in the primary but returned for the General. I must have been the Nanjeanne Monday #49

Same here Just_Vote_Dem Monday #50

Well that's two of us. But we must be outliers because someone much more knowledgeable said so. Nanjeanne Monday #87

Please clarify your comment. sheshe2 Tuesday #130

Not Harris, heck no Just_Vote_Dem Tuesday #131

You're welcome. Oopsie Daisy Monday #53

You know that how? Where's the research and data showing that? KPN Monday #71

The election results speak for themselves. Oopsie Daisy Monday #73

Okay, so pure speculation and surmising as I thought. Only those people who may not have voted or voted Trump due to KPN Monday #114

They do? So let's talk about how Trump got 35% of the Jewish vote vanessa_ca Tuesday #121

Sadly true and I believe it made a difference mountain grammy Tuesday #149

Re: disengage from the primary LudwigPastorius Monday #109

Good imagination. nt PufPuf23 Tuesday #129

And it transformed into a movement that helped give is Trump. Happy Hoosier Tuesday #155

It's unbelievable how many Dems want to sink Mamdani. I don't think these attempts are getting the results you Pisces Monday #3

The hatred towards Muslims here is shocking. Autumn Monday #6

+1 leftstreet Monday #9

Is it hatred toward Muslims Mossfern Monday #67

Hatred. They demand something from him that they expect from no one else. nt Autumn Monday #72

I respectfully disagree with you Mossfern Monday #88

That is simply not true mcar Monday #91

Mamdani intelpug Tuesday #123

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #137

Have you actually read what he said choie Monday #101

I read what he said. Mossfern Monday #112

Amen choie Monday #100

Hatred is a strong word purple_haze Tuesday #178

Well either he supported the uncommitted movement against President Biden totodeinhere Monday #7

But young voters and other things! BannonsLiver Monday #14

He did have a massive youth turnout AZProgressive Monday #76

Unfortunately, many people fear change Just_Vote_Dem Monday #81

There are other issues that are unpopular with Democrats that many people here find perfectly acceptable. BannonsLiver Monday #86

I also don't think most democrats agree with "seizing the means of production" fujiyamasan Monday #113

He was 28 or 29 when he said it. Thats pretty youthful. yardwork Tuesday #143

This one certainly doesn't! purple_haze Tuesday #181

Using a potential promise of his vote in support of human rights Easterncedar Monday #31

Thank you! TheProle Monday #32

The problem is the framing. It's dishonest. AloeVera Monday #92

It doesn't matter now JustAnotherGen Monday #98

I wish I could rec this post 10000 times purple_haze Tuesday #179

It's more hatred toward policies that aren't tied to corporate donors and the prison industrial complex AStern Monday #40

This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Tuesday #120

Wish I could "pull the lever" for Mamdani!! InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #139

There is some seriously bad judgment on display out there BeyondGeography Tuesday #133

Well it's certainly not helping... we need to be unified if were gonna stave off the MAGAts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #140

Scare tactics to whip up hysteria thought crime Tuesday #135

And these are Democrats!! Mamdani was democratically nominated to be NY's mayoral candidate so let's support him & win!! InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #136

Not gonna work. Kingofalldems Monday #4

Sounds serious Torchlight Monday #8

Mamdani won the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York Prairie Gates Monday #10

He's DU's new number one it guy, so I'm sure he will be afforded all of that and more. BannonsLiver Monday #12

It's one of the great values of this space that we collectively agree not to relitigate primaries Prairie Gates Monday #13

Very true. BannonsLiver Monday #17

DU has developed unique rules and culture, it is true - and they are distinct from norms of public discourse Prairie Gates Monday #21

How do we know he wasnt? SSJVegeta Monday #28

You mean, you hope people here won't be urging an "Uncommitted" vote RandomNumbers Monday #80

Bernie on line one... pick up. InAbLuEsTaTe Tuesday #138

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Monday #11

This is very disappointing news. But it explains a lot of what I've been hearing AND NOT HEARING recently. Oopsie Daisy Monday #15

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Tuesday #162

Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #16

What "situation " He's the Democratic canidate for the Mayor of NY City. Lochloosa Monday #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #19

Reminds me when they called Obama presidency an experiment Pisces Monday #45

But primarying incumbent Democrats mcar Monday #103

Post removed Post removed Monday #117

This had nothing to do with him, but.i do agree with the sentiment 👏 Lochloosa Tuesday #142

I know a lot of people had hurt feelings about it, but the uncommitted movement was not "against" Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Monday #20

The effect is the same. If an elected official convinces someone to NOT vote in the primary * Oopsie Daisy Monday #25

The point of "uncommitted" is that people DID vote in the primary, participating in all races but voting "uncommitted" WhiskeyGrinder Monday #33

Once they declared themselves as "uncommitted" in the Primaries they never returned for the General. Oopsie Daisy Monday #34

Some did, some didn't; same as all voters. WhiskeyGrinder Monday #36

No. Oopsie Daisy Monday #39

Yes, it was against Biden. RandySF Monday #56

It was also against VP Harris because the Uncommitted Movement refused to endorse VP Harris lostincalifornia Monday #62

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Tuesday #175

lol what in the world BannonsLiver Monday #75

The Uncommitted movement was very much against Biden comradebillyboy Tuesday #122

Of course it was against Biden. sheshe2 Tuesday #124

So does this mean he didn't vote for our candidate for President? Nixie Monday #23

Sick of big money influence slandering our candidates. Emile Monday #24

This shines a new light on the question everyone's been asking wondering why some Democratic leaders * Oopsie Daisy Monday #43

Follow the money. Emile Tuesday #132

Well isn't that special. Is it legitimate to ask who he voted for in the General Election? lostincalifornia Monday #26

Nobody's perfect SSJVegeta Monday #27

Well, shit! pandr32 Monday #30

I've known about it for awhile Cha Monday #52

I'm disappointed, too. pandr32 Monday #97

Aloha pandr 💙🕯️🕊️🇺🇸🌈🇨🇦💙💛 Cha Monday #99

This was during the primary Easterncedar Monday #35

The uncommited movement refused to endorse VP Harris for the Presidential election against trump? lostincalifornia Monday #37

It convinces me that the misinformation machine was effective Easterncedar Monday #41

Then I guess there is sure a lot of manipulation going on, because much of the same folks seem to lostincalifornia Monday #61

You left out 1933. Harris and Walz tried Easterncedar Monday #65

Very good question choie Monday #104

That is exactly my point. yardwork Tuesday #144

He says he voted for Harris but during the campaign focused JI7 Monday #66

No inference needed. The movement came out AGAINST voting for Trump or Stein. AloeVera Monday #84

Did they vote for Harris Mossfern Monday #116

See post # 150. AloeVera Tuesday #151

Link please, I must have missed all that. sheshe2 Tuesday #126

This whole thread incorrectly conflates Uncommitted with Abandon Biden/Harris. AloeVera Tuesday #146

Implies not infers. choie Monday #102

It's deliberate. Some people would prefer a MAGAT in office than a real progressive vanessa_ca Monday #46

Yep Just_Vote_Dem Monday #60

de rec Celerity Monday #42

That was for the primary, not the general Fiendish Thingy Monday #44

Here you are with facts and perspective... AloeVera Monday #47

The facts were lacking. Oopsie Daisy Monday #54

No... I hate to break it to you, but the "leave it blank" and "Abandon Harris" movement * Oopsie Daisy Monday #48

You are mistaken Fiendish Thingy Monday #58

Yes it was. You're correct about that... but... Oopsie Daisy Monday #63

So both supported the "uncommitted" strategy Fiendish Thingy Monday #77

Some are trying hard though, bless their hearts :) n/t Just_Vote_Dem Monday #64

No. Not only was the Uncommitted Movement separate from Abandon Harris... AloeVera Monday #79

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Monday #51

That's it - I'm not voting for him Retrograde Monday #55

Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Monday #78

Shame on him. Shame on them all. mcar Monday #57

This speaks volumes I think lostincalifornia Monday #70

Shame for what, exactly? AloeVera Monday #85

How is Trump working out for a ceasefire? He wants to build Nixie Tuesday #128

Gaza was crushed while Biden was in office. AloeVera Tuesday #153

Trump is finishing Gaza off in pursuit of a capitalist's dreams Nixie Tuesday #161

The shame is in not ever speaking out about the war crimes and atrocities. Not in Biden's time and not now. AloeVera Tuesday #163

You keep blaming Biden when Trump is making a fool out of the Nixie Tuesday #165

When you have condemned ISRAEL's barbarity and ayrocities - AloeVera Tuesday #168

Gaza was sold down the river willingly to Trump.. Nixie Tuesday #169

Whatever lets you sleep at night... n/t AloeVera Tuesday #172

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Tuesday #183

What's upside down is campaigning against mcar Tuesday #152

There is "pushing" and then there is "doing". AloeVera Tuesday #171

There sure is a lot of revisionism of the '24 primaries. RandySF Monday #59

You mean Abandon Biden/Harris? Nope. Different group. AloeVera Monday #93

If they advised not voting for either Trump or Stein Mossfern Monday #118

Obviously the message was to vote for Harris. AloeVera Tuesday #150

Cuomo is runnnig as an independent and will split the dem vote giving the repuke the election. mdbl Monday #68

I agree. This is what people SHOULD actually be worried about. Not Mamdani or anything related to him. Karasu Monday #69

The collective meltdown here would be a sight to behold BannonsLiver Monday #90

No. The race at this point would be between Cuomo and Mamdani. Scrivener7 Tuesday #134

Cuomo would be splitting votes with Adams, leaving Mamdani a pathway to victory. Zohran25 Tuesday #159

Hey. Let's go after the Teamsters next Easterncedar Monday #74

.... Docreed2003 Monday #82

This guy is apparently scaring the right people... appmanga Monday #83

This reminds me of what happened in our past too. Emile Monday #89

If I could recommend this more than once choie Monday #105

What "sank Hillary" was GD Fucking Jill Stein's LIES Cha Monday #115

Hillary refusal to campaigning in swing states cost her the election. Zohran25 Tuesday #170

NO.. GD Jill Stein's LIES That Hillary & Traitor Cha Tuesday #173

This! yardwork Tuesday #145

Uncommitted was universally condemned here. RandySF Monday #94

So this guy supported Trump in the Presidential Election? WSHazel Monday #95

Are you for real? choie Monday #106

He was officially "uncommitted" WSHazel Monday #110

No. He did not. AloeVera Monday #111

He supported the "Uncommitted" movement WSHazel Tuesday #141

I should have stopped reading at "Mamdani was working to peel votes away from Harris". A fabrication. AloeVera Tuesday #164

Lots of people maligned Harris with the "Uncommitted" Movement WSHazel Tuesday #166

There ya go. And so many here are falling all over themselves to root for this guy... brush Monday #96

Oh no! choie Monday #107

Maybe not you Mossfern Tuesday #119

He clearly signaled he was alieghed with the Muslims who didh't for Harris. Ooga booge at. that. brush Tuesday #176

How much influence does a New York State Assembly rep have over a presidential election? AloeVera Tuesday #174

If he wins, the mayor of NYC clear has national influence and will be pointed to... brush Tuesday #180

I'm more interested in what he did after that. LudwigPastorius Monday #108

About Mamdani, I confess I B.See Tuesday #125

Well said purple_haze Tuesday #182

It was a good strategy Buzz cook Tuesday #127

"Biden's complicity in genocide". Don't even try to hide this shit any more, huh? nt LexVegas Tuesday #148

Biden was not the candidate. And it was Democrat leaders who didn't Demsrule86 Tuesday #157

Biden was the one Buzz cook 17 hrs ago #186

Why hide it? Buzz cook 17 hrs ago #185

On that last point, I'd have to agree. B.See Tuesday #167

Of course he did. nt LexVegas Tuesday #147

Yeah he screwed up on that one Samael13 Tuesday #154

I am not in New York...however, the primary has been held and Mamdani won. Demsrule86 Tuesday #156

Didn't he sign the obligatory Loyalty Oath? Ping Tung Tuesday #158

He's the Democratic nominee. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but this is ridiculous. Get over it. Scrivener7 Tuesday #160

Well, that stinks purple_haze Tuesday #177

This one is from even earlier: Polybius Tuesday #184