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AloeVera

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163. The shame is in not ever speaking out about the war crimes and atrocities. Not in Biden's time and not now.

Tue Jul 1, 2025, 01:25 PM

Jul 1

Not just not speaking out, but defending and rationalizing it.

I would call that some sort of moral failure, as well as shameful.

I have been speaking out continuously, every day, regardless of who holds power. Because a genocide should transcend politics or shielding your side from the uncomfortable truth.

And also - do you not see the irony of what you posted? This is an O/P relitigating the primaries and framing it incorrectly to boot. Talk about "old bones". But it amounted to an unfair attack as well as an invitation by necessity to put it in context and in the correct framework. Would you prefer that there was no push-back on such attacks on a Democrat?

Just for kicks, I'm going to say please watch Uncle Joe's two O/Ps today about what conditions are like in Gaza today and what ISRAEL is inflicting with unfathomable cruelty. I recommended both those threads as I do all threads like that. Many times I comment, in order to TRY to get people to say this is enough, this is unjustifiable. Yet I have yet to see anyone who has consistently been pro-Israel say, yes, I agree this is wrong and I'm speaking up against it. Not in Biden's time and even not now.

So please, your insults and "outrage" mean nothing to me.

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Zohran Mamdani supported the Uncommitted movement against Joe Biden? [View all] PeaceWave Jun 30 OP

Hmmph well isn't that a kick in the teeth.. Peacetrain Jun 30 #1

I'll say the same thing to you choie Jun 30 #2

"c'mon man" ? Now you know it's a fresh young Progressive to kick around. Autumn Jun 30 #5

People seem to forget the Uncommitted Movement was in the primaries as a way to try to influence candidates on Gaza. Nanjeanne Jun 30 #22

The more I hear him talk, the more I learn about him, I admire him more. Autumn Jun 30 #29

Once a voter has been convinced to disengage from the primary, they're not returning for the General. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #38

Oh really? I didn't know that. I was disengaged in the primary but returned for the General. I must have been the Nanjeanne Jun 30 #49

Same here Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #50

Well that's two of us. But we must be outliers because someone much more knowledgeable said so. Nanjeanne Jun 30 #87

Please clarify your comment. sheshe2 Jul 1 #130

Not Harris, heck no Just_Vote_Dem Jul 1 #131

You're welcome. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #53

You know that how? Where's the research and data showing that? KPN Jun 30 #71

The election results speak for themselves. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #73

Okay, so pure speculation and surmising as I thought. Only those people who may not have voted or voted Trump due to KPN Jun 30 #114

They do? So let's talk about how Trump got 35% of the Jewish vote vanessa_ca Jul 1 #121

Sadly true and I believe it made a difference mountain grammy Jul 1 #149

Re: disengage from the primary LudwigPastorius Jun 30 #109

Good imagination. nt PufPuf23 Jul 1 #129

And it transformed into a movement that helped give is Trump. Happy Hoosier Jul 1 #155

It's unbelievable how many Dems want to sink Mamdani. I don't think these attempts are getting the results you Pisces Jun 30 #3

The hatred towards Muslims here is shocking. Autumn Jun 30 #6

+1 leftstreet Jun 30 #9

Is it hatred toward Muslims Mossfern Jun 30 #67

Hatred. They demand something from him that they expect from no one else. nt Autumn Jun 30 #72

I respectfully disagree with you Mossfern Jun 30 #88

That is simply not true mcar Jun 30 #91

Mamdani intelpug Jul 1 #123

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #137

Have you actually read what he said choie Jun 30 #101

I read what he said. Mossfern Jun 30 #112

Amen choie Jun 30 #100

Hatred is a strong word purple_haze Jul 1 #178

Well either he supported the uncommitted movement against President Biden totodeinhere Jun 30 #7

But young voters and other things! BannonsLiver Jun 30 #14

He did have a massive youth turnout AZProgressive Jun 30 #76

Unfortunately, many people fear change Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #81

There are other issues that are unpopular with Democrats that many people here find perfectly acceptable. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #86

I also don't think most democrats agree with "seizing the means of production" fujiyamasan Jun 30 #113

He was 28 or 29 when he said it. Thats pretty youthful. yardwork Jul 1 #143

This one certainly doesn't! purple_haze Jul 1 #181

Using a potential promise of his vote in support of human rights Easterncedar Jun 30 #31

Thank you! TheProle Jun 30 #32

The problem is the framing. It's dishonest. AloeVera Jun 30 #92

It doesn't matter now JustAnotherGen Jun 30 #98

I wish I could rec this post 10000 times purple_haze Jul 1 #179

It's more hatred toward policies that aren't tied to corporate donors and the prison industrial complex AStern Jun 30 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Jul 1 #120

Wish I could "pull the lever" for Mamdani!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #139

There is some seriously bad judgment on display out there BeyondGeography Jul 1 #133

Well it's certainly not helping... we need to be unified if were gonna stave off the MAGAts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #140

Scare tactics to whip up hysteria thought crime Jul 1 #135

And these are Democrats!! Mamdani was democratically nominated to be NY's mayoral candidate so let's support him & win!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #136

Not gonna work. Kingofalldems Jun 30 #4

Sounds serious Torchlight Jun 30 #8

Mamdani won the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York Prairie Gates Jun 30 #10

He's DU's new number one it guy, so I'm sure he will be afforded all of that and more. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #12

It's one of the great values of this space that we collectively agree not to relitigate primaries Prairie Gates Jun 30 #13

Very true. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #17

DU has developed unique rules and culture, it is true - and they are distinct from norms of public discourse Prairie Gates Jun 30 #21

How do we know he wasnt? SSJVegeta Jun 30 #28

You mean, you hope people here won't be urging an "Uncommitted" vote RandomNumbers Jun 30 #80

Bernie on line one... pick up. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #11

This is very disappointing news. But it explains a lot of what I've been hearing AND NOT HEARING recently. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 1 #162

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 30 #16

What "situation " He's the Democratic canidate for the Mayor of NY City. Lochloosa Jun 30 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 30 #19

Reminds me when they called Obama presidency an experiment Pisces Jun 30 #45

But primarying incumbent Democrats mcar Jun 30 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 30 #117

This had nothing to do with him, but.i do agree with the sentiment 👏 Lochloosa Jul 1 #142

I know a lot of people had hurt feelings about it, but the uncommitted movement was not "against" Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #20

The effect is the same. If an elected official convinces someone to NOT vote in the primary * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #25

The point of "uncommitted" is that people DID vote in the primary, participating in all races but voting "uncommitted" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #33

Once they declared themselves as "uncommitted" in the Primaries they never returned for the General. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #34

Some did, some didn't; same as all voters. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #36

No. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #39

Yes, it was against Biden. RandySF Jun 30 #56

It was also against VP Harris because the Uncommitted Movement refused to endorse VP Harris lostincalifornia Jun 30 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 1 #175

lol what in the world BannonsLiver Jun 30 #75

The Uncommitted movement was very much against Biden comradebillyboy Jul 1 #122

Of course it was against Biden. sheshe2 Jul 1 #124

So does this mean he didn't vote for our candidate for President? Nixie Jun 30 #23

Sick of big money influence slandering our candidates. Emile Jun 30 #24

This shines a new light on the question everyone's been asking wondering why some Democratic leaders * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #43

Follow the money. Emile Jul 1 #132

Well isn't that special. Is it legitimate to ask who he voted for in the General Election? lostincalifornia Jun 30 #26

Nobody's perfect SSJVegeta Jun 30 #27

Well, shit! pandr32 Jun 30 #30

I've known about it for awhile Cha Jun 30 #52

I'm disappointed, too. pandr32 Jun 30 #97

Aloha pandr 💙🕯️🕊️🇺🇸🌈🇨🇦💙💛 Cha Jun 30 #99

This was during the primary Easterncedar Jun 30 #35

The uncommited movement refused to endorse VP Harris for the Presidential election against trump? lostincalifornia Jun 30 #37

It convinces me that the misinformation machine was effective Easterncedar Jun 30 #41

Then I guess there is sure a lot of manipulation going on, because much of the same folks seem to lostincalifornia Jun 30 #61

You left out 1933. Harris and Walz tried Easterncedar Jun 30 #65

Very good question choie Jun 30 #104

That is exactly my point. yardwork Jul 1 #144

He says he voted for Harris but during the campaign focused JI7 Jun 30 #66

No inference needed. The movement came out AGAINST voting for Trump or Stein. AloeVera Jun 30 #84

Did they vote for Harris Mossfern Jun 30 #116

See post # 150. AloeVera Jul 1 #151

Link please, I must have missed all that. sheshe2 Jul 1 #126

This whole thread incorrectly conflates Uncommitted with Abandon Biden/Harris. AloeVera Jul 1 #146

Implies not infers. choie Jun 30 #102

It's deliberate. Some people would prefer a MAGAT in office than a real progressive vanessa_ca Jun 30 #46

Yep Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #60

de rec Celerity Jun 30 #42

That was for the primary, not the general Fiendish Thingy Jun 30 #44

Here you are with facts and perspective... AloeVera Jun 30 #47

The facts were lacking. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #54

No... I hate to break it to you, but the "leave it blank" and "Abandon Harris" movement * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #48

You are mistaken Fiendish Thingy Jun 30 #58

Yes it was. You're correct about that... but... Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #63

So both supported the "uncommitted" strategy Fiendish Thingy Jun 30 #77

Some are trying hard though, bless their hearts :) n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #64

No. Not only was the Uncommitted Movement separate from Abandon Harris... AloeVera Jun 30 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jun 30 #51

That's it - I'm not voting for him Retrograde Jun 30 #55

Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 30 #78

Shame on him. Shame on them all. mcar Jun 30 #57

This speaks volumes I think lostincalifornia Jun 30 #70

Shame for what, exactly? AloeVera Jun 30 #85

How is Trump working out for a ceasefire? He wants to build Nixie Jul 1 #128

Gaza was crushed while Biden was in office. AloeVera Jul 1 #153

Trump is finishing Gaza off in pursuit of a capitalist's dreams Nixie Jul 1 #161

The shame is in not ever speaking out about the war crimes and atrocities. Not in Biden's time and not now. AloeVera Jul 1 #163

You keep blaming Biden when Trump is making a fool out of the Nixie Jul 1 #165

When you have condemned ISRAEL's barbarity and ayrocities - AloeVera Jul 1 #168

Gaza was sold down the river willingly to Trump.. Nixie Jul 1 #169

Whatever lets you sleep at night... n/t AloeVera Jul 1 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 1 #183

What's upside down is campaigning against mcar Jul 1 #152

There is "pushing" and then there is "doing". AloeVera Jul 1 #171

There sure is a lot of revisionism of the '24 primaries. RandySF Jun 30 #59

You mean Abandon Biden/Harris? Nope. Different group. AloeVera Jun 30 #93

If they advised not voting for either Trump or Stein Mossfern Jun 30 #118

Obviously the message was to vote for Harris. AloeVera Jul 1 #150

Cuomo is runnnig as an independent and will split the dem vote giving the repuke the election. mdbl Jun 30 #68

I agree. This is what people SHOULD actually be worried about. Not Mamdani or anything related to him. Karasu Jun 30 #69

The collective meltdown here would be a sight to behold BannonsLiver Jun 30 #90

No. The race at this point would be between Cuomo and Mamdani. Scrivener7 Jul 1 #134

Cuomo would be splitting votes with Adams, leaving Mamdani a pathway to victory. Zohran25 Jul 1 #159

Hey. Let's go after the Teamsters next Easterncedar Jun 30 #74

.... Docreed2003 Jun 30 #82

This guy is apparently scaring the right people... appmanga Jun 30 #83

This reminds me of what happened in our past too. Emile Jun 30 #89

If I could recommend this more than once choie Jun 30 #105

What "sank Hillary" was GD Fucking Jill Stein's LIES Cha Jun 30 #115

Hillary refusal to campaigning in swing states cost her the election. Zohran25 Jul 1 #170

NO.. GD Jill Stein's LIES That Hillary & Traitor Cha Jul 1 #173

This! yardwork Jul 1 #145

Uncommitted was universally condemned here. RandySF Jun 30 #94

So this guy supported Trump in the Presidential Election? WSHazel Jun 30 #95

Are you for real? choie Jun 30 #106

He was officially "uncommitted" WSHazel Jun 30 #110

No. He did not. AloeVera Jun 30 #111

He supported the "Uncommitted" movement WSHazel Jul 1 #141

I should have stopped reading at "Mamdani was working to peel votes away from Harris". A fabrication. AloeVera Jul 1 #164

Lots of people maligned Harris with the "Uncommitted" Movement WSHazel Jul 1 #166

There ya go. And so many here are falling all over themselves to root for this guy... brush Jun 30 #96

Oh no! choie Jun 30 #107

Maybe not you Mossfern Jul 1 #119

He clearly signaled he was alieghed with the Muslims who didh't for Harris. Ooga booge at. that. brush Jul 1 #176

How much influence does a New York State Assembly rep have over a presidential election? AloeVera Jul 1 #174

If he wins, the mayor of NYC clear has national influence and will be pointed to... brush Jul 1 #180

I'm more interested in what he did after that. LudwigPastorius Jun 30 #108

About Mamdani, I confess I B.See Jul 1 #125

Well said purple_haze Jul 1 #182

It was a good strategy Buzz cook Jul 1 #127

"Biden's complicity in genocide". Don't even try to hide this shit any more, huh? nt LexVegas Jul 1 #148

Biden was not the candidate. And it was Democrat leaders who didn't Demsrule86 Jul 1 #157

Biden was the one Buzz cook Jul 2 #186

Why hide it? Buzz cook Jul 2 #185

On that last point, I'd have to agree. B.See Jul 1 #167

Of course he did. nt LexVegas Jul 1 #147

Yeah he screwed up on that one Samael13 Jul 1 #154

I am not in New York...however, the primary has been held and Mamdani won. Demsrule86 Jul 1 #156

Didn't he sign the obligatory Loyalty Oath? Ping Tung Jul 1 #158

He's the Democratic nominee. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but this is ridiculous. Get over it. Scrivener7 Jul 1 #160

Well, that stinks purple_haze Jul 1 #177

This one is from even earlier: Polybius Jul 1 #184