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AloeVera

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171. There is "pushing" and then there is "doing".

Tue Jul 1, 2025, 02:30 PM

Jul 1

It's the doing that was the problem.

Even Blinken and/or Sullivan (?) admitted recently they could have done more. That's all the Uncommitted Movement asked for - a real, honest effort. Of cpurse that would have meant conditioning arms and funding and that was a step the Administration was not willing to take.

Like it or not, that's why people stayed at home.

I hope you are keeping up with "how things are" in Gaza. I look forward to the long-awaited and overdue condemnation by your side of Israel's barbaric treatment of Palestinians. There are a million children there who - after 21 months of non-stop trauma and malnutrition - will never now grow into the adults they would otherwise have been. A whole generation or more, lost and diminished. What is that, if not a genocide?

Oh and please show me some evidence of where Mamdani was "campaigning against" Harris. Otherwise, it's just another fabrication to malign and demonize. Nothing new, of course.

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Zohran Mamdani supported the Uncommitted movement against Joe Biden? [View all] PeaceWave Jun 30 OP

Hmmph well isn't that a kick in the teeth.. Peacetrain Jun 30 #1

I'll say the same thing to you choie Jun 30 #2

"c'mon man" ? Now you know it's a fresh young Progressive to kick around. Autumn Jun 30 #5

People seem to forget the Uncommitted Movement was in the primaries as a way to try to influence candidates on Gaza. Nanjeanne Jun 30 #22

The more I hear him talk, the more I learn about him, I admire him more. Autumn Jun 30 #29

Once a voter has been convinced to disengage from the primary, they're not returning for the General. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #38

Oh really? I didn't know that. I was disengaged in the primary but returned for the General. I must have been the Nanjeanne Jun 30 #49

Same here Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #50

Well that's two of us. But we must be outliers because someone much more knowledgeable said so. Nanjeanne Jun 30 #87

Please clarify your comment. sheshe2 Jul 1 #130

Not Harris, heck no Just_Vote_Dem Jul 1 #131

You're welcome. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #53

You know that how? Where's the research and data showing that? KPN Jun 30 #71

The election results speak for themselves. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #73

Okay, so pure speculation and surmising as I thought. Only those people who may not have voted or voted Trump due to KPN Jun 30 #114

They do? So let's talk about how Trump got 35% of the Jewish vote vanessa_ca Jul 1 #121

Sadly true and I believe it made a difference mountain grammy Jul 1 #149

Re: disengage from the primary LudwigPastorius Jun 30 #109

Good imagination. nt PufPuf23 Jul 1 #129

And it transformed into a movement that helped give is Trump. Happy Hoosier Jul 1 #155

It's unbelievable how many Dems want to sink Mamdani. I don't think these attempts are getting the results you Pisces Jun 30 #3

The hatred towards Muslims here is shocking. Autumn Jun 30 #6

+1 leftstreet Jun 30 #9

Is it hatred toward Muslims Mossfern Jun 30 #67

Hatred. They demand something from him that they expect from no one else. nt Autumn Jun 30 #72

I respectfully disagree with you Mossfern Jun 30 #88

That is simply not true mcar Jun 30 #91

Mamdani intelpug Jul 1 #123

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #137

Have you actually read what he said choie Jun 30 #101

I read what he said. Mossfern Jun 30 #112

Amen choie Jun 30 #100

Hatred is a strong word purple_haze Jul 1 #178

Well either he supported the uncommitted movement against President Biden totodeinhere Jun 30 #7

But young voters and other things! BannonsLiver Jun 30 #14

He did have a massive youth turnout AZProgressive Jun 30 #76

Unfortunately, many people fear change Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #81

There are other issues that are unpopular with Democrats that many people here find perfectly acceptable. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #86

I also don't think most democrats agree with "seizing the means of production" fujiyamasan Jun 30 #113

He was 28 or 29 when he said it. Thats pretty youthful. yardwork Jul 1 #143

This one certainly doesn't! purple_haze Jul 1 #181

Using a potential promise of his vote in support of human rights Easterncedar Jun 30 #31

Thank you! TheProle Jun 30 #32

The problem is the framing. It's dishonest. AloeVera Jun 30 #92

It doesn't matter now JustAnotherGen Jun 30 #98

I wish I could rec this post 10000 times purple_haze Jul 1 #179

It's more hatred toward policies that aren't tied to corporate donors and the prison industrial complex AStern Jun 30 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Jul 1 #120

Wish I could "pull the lever" for Mamdani!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #139

There is some seriously bad judgment on display out there BeyondGeography Jul 1 #133

Well it's certainly not helping... we need to be unified if were gonna stave off the MAGAts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #140

Scare tactics to whip up hysteria thought crime Jul 1 #135

And these are Democrats!! Mamdani was democratically nominated to be NY's mayoral candidate so let's support him & win!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #136

Not gonna work. Kingofalldems Jun 30 #4

Sounds serious Torchlight Jun 30 #8

Mamdani won the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York Prairie Gates Jun 30 #10

He's DU's new number one it guy, so I'm sure he will be afforded all of that and more. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #12

It's one of the great values of this space that we collectively agree not to relitigate primaries Prairie Gates Jun 30 #13

Very true. BannonsLiver Jun 30 #17

DU has developed unique rules and culture, it is true - and they are distinct from norms of public discourse Prairie Gates Jun 30 #21

How do we know he wasnt? SSJVegeta Jun 30 #28

You mean, you hope people here won't be urging an "Uncommitted" vote RandomNumbers Jun 30 #80

Bernie on line one... pick up. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 1 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #11

This is very disappointing news. But it explains a lot of what I've been hearing AND NOT HEARING recently. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 1 #162

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 30 #16

What "situation " He's the Democratic canidate for the Mayor of NY City. Lochloosa Jun 30 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 30 #19

Reminds me when they called Obama presidency an experiment Pisces Jun 30 #45

But primarying incumbent Democrats mcar Jun 30 #103

Post removed Post removed Jun 30 #117

This had nothing to do with him, but.i do agree with the sentiment 👏 Lochloosa Jul 1 #142

I know a lot of people had hurt feelings about it, but the uncommitted movement was not "against" Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #20

The effect is the same. If an elected official convinces someone to NOT vote in the primary * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #25

The point of "uncommitted" is that people DID vote in the primary, participating in all races but voting "uncommitted" WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #33

Once they declared themselves as "uncommitted" in the Primaries they never returned for the General. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #34

Some did, some didn't; same as all voters. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 30 #36

No. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #39

Yes, it was against Biden. RandySF Jun 30 #56

It was also against VP Harris because the Uncommitted Movement refused to endorse VP Harris lostincalifornia Jun 30 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 1 #175

lol what in the world BannonsLiver Jun 30 #75

The Uncommitted movement was very much against Biden comradebillyboy Jul 1 #122

Of course it was against Biden. sheshe2 Jul 1 #124

So does this mean he didn't vote for our candidate for President? Nixie Jun 30 #23

Sick of big money influence slandering our candidates. Emile Jun 30 #24

This shines a new light on the question everyone's been asking wondering why some Democratic leaders * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #43

Follow the money. Emile Jul 1 #132

Well isn't that special. Is it legitimate to ask who he voted for in the General Election? lostincalifornia Jun 30 #26

Nobody's perfect SSJVegeta Jun 30 #27

Well, shit! pandr32 Jun 30 #30

I've known about it for awhile Cha Jun 30 #52

I'm disappointed, too. pandr32 Jun 30 #97

Aloha pandr 💙🕯️🕊️🇺🇸🌈🇨🇦💙💛 Cha Jun 30 #99

This was during the primary Easterncedar Jun 30 #35

The uncommited movement refused to endorse VP Harris for the Presidential election against trump? lostincalifornia Jun 30 #37

It convinces me that the misinformation machine was effective Easterncedar Jun 30 #41

Then I guess there is sure a lot of manipulation going on, because much of the same folks seem to lostincalifornia Jun 30 #61

You left out 1933. Harris and Walz tried Easterncedar Jun 30 #65

Very good question choie Jun 30 #104

That is exactly my point. yardwork Jul 1 #144

He says he voted for Harris but during the campaign focused JI7 Jun 30 #66

No inference needed. The movement came out AGAINST voting for Trump or Stein. AloeVera Jun 30 #84

Did they vote for Harris Mossfern Jun 30 #116

See post # 150. AloeVera Jul 1 #151

Link please, I must have missed all that. sheshe2 Jul 1 #126

This whole thread incorrectly conflates Uncommitted with Abandon Biden/Harris. AloeVera Jul 1 #146

Implies not infers. choie Jun 30 #102

It's deliberate. Some people would prefer a MAGAT in office than a real progressive vanessa_ca Jun 30 #46

Yep Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #60

de rec Celerity Jun 30 #42

That was for the primary, not the general Fiendish Thingy Jun 30 #44

Here you are with facts and perspective... AloeVera Jun 30 #47

The facts were lacking. Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #54

No... I hate to break it to you, but the "leave it blank" and "Abandon Harris" movement * Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #48

You are mistaken Fiendish Thingy Jun 30 #58

Yes it was. You're correct about that... but... Oopsie Daisy Jun 30 #63

So both supported the "uncommitted" strategy Fiendish Thingy Jun 30 #77

Some are trying hard though, bless their hearts :) n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jun 30 #64

No. Not only was the Uncommitted Movement separate from Abandon Harris... AloeVera Jun 30 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jun 30 #51

That's it - I'm not voting for him Retrograde Jun 30 #55

Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 30 #78

Shame on him. Shame on them all. mcar Jun 30 #57

This speaks volumes I think lostincalifornia Jun 30 #70

Shame for what, exactly? AloeVera Jun 30 #85

How is Trump working out for a ceasefire? He wants to build Nixie Jul 1 #128

Gaza was crushed while Biden was in office. AloeVera Jul 1 #153

Trump is finishing Gaza off in pursuit of a capitalist's dreams Nixie Jul 1 #161

The shame is in not ever speaking out about the war crimes and atrocities. Not in Biden's time and not now. AloeVera Jul 1 #163

You keep blaming Biden when Trump is making a fool out of the Nixie Jul 1 #165

When you have condemned ISRAEL's barbarity and ayrocities - AloeVera Jul 1 #168

Gaza was sold down the river willingly to Trump.. Nixie Jul 1 #169

Whatever lets you sleep at night... n/t AloeVera Jul 1 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 1 #183

What's upside down is campaigning against mcar Jul 1 #152

There is "pushing" and then there is "doing". AloeVera Jul 1 #171

There sure is a lot of revisionism of the '24 primaries. RandySF Jun 30 #59

You mean Abandon Biden/Harris? Nope. Different group. AloeVera Jun 30 #93

If they advised not voting for either Trump or Stein Mossfern Jun 30 #118

Obviously the message was to vote for Harris. AloeVera Jul 1 #150

Cuomo is runnnig as an independent and will split the dem vote giving the repuke the election. mdbl Jun 30 #68

I agree. This is what people SHOULD actually be worried about. Not Mamdani or anything related to him. Karasu Jun 30 #69

The collective meltdown here would be a sight to behold BannonsLiver Jun 30 #90

No. The race at this point would be between Cuomo and Mamdani. Scrivener7 Jul 1 #134

Cuomo would be splitting votes with Adams, leaving Mamdani a pathway to victory. Zohran25 Jul 1 #159

Hey. Let's go after the Teamsters next Easterncedar Jun 30 #74

.... Docreed2003 Jun 30 #82

This guy is apparently scaring the right people... appmanga Jun 30 #83

This reminds me of what happened in our past too. Emile Jun 30 #89

If I could recommend this more than once choie Jun 30 #105

What "sank Hillary" was GD Fucking Jill Stein's LIES Cha Jun 30 #115

Hillary refusal to campaigning in swing states cost her the election. Zohran25 Jul 1 #170

NO.. GD Jill Stein's LIES That Hillary & Traitor Cha Jul 1 #173

This! yardwork Jul 1 #145

Uncommitted was universally condemned here. RandySF Jun 30 #94

So this guy supported Trump in the Presidential Election? WSHazel Jun 30 #95

Are you for real? choie Jun 30 #106

He was officially "uncommitted" WSHazel Jun 30 #110

No. He did not. AloeVera Jun 30 #111

He supported the "Uncommitted" movement WSHazel Jul 1 #141

I should have stopped reading at "Mamdani was working to peel votes away from Harris". A fabrication. AloeVera Jul 1 #164

Lots of people maligned Harris with the "Uncommitted" Movement WSHazel Jul 1 #166

There ya go. And so many here are falling all over themselves to root for this guy... brush Jun 30 #96

Oh no! choie Jun 30 #107

Maybe not you Mossfern Jul 1 #119

He clearly signaled he was alieghed with the Muslims who didh't for Harris. Ooga booge at. that. brush Jul 1 #176

How much influence does a New York State Assembly rep have over a presidential election? AloeVera Jul 1 #174

If he wins, the mayor of NYC clear has national influence and will be pointed to... brush Jul 1 #180

I'm more interested in what he did after that. LudwigPastorius Jun 30 #108

About Mamdani, I confess I B.See Jul 1 #125

Well said purple_haze Jul 1 #182

It was a good strategy Buzz cook Jul 1 #127

"Biden's complicity in genocide". Don't even try to hide this shit any more, huh? nt LexVegas Jul 1 #148

Biden was not the candidate. And it was Democrat leaders who didn't Demsrule86 Jul 1 #157

Biden was the one Buzz cook Jul 2 #186

Why hide it? Buzz cook Jul 2 #185

On that last point, I'd have to agree. B.See Jul 1 #167

Of course he did. nt LexVegas Jul 1 #147

Yeah he screwed up on that one Samael13 Jul 1 #154

I am not in New York...however, the primary has been held and Mamdani won. Demsrule86 Jul 1 #156

Didn't he sign the obligatory Loyalty Oath? Ping Tung Jul 1 #158

He's the Democratic nominee. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but this is ridiculous. Get over it. Scrivener7 Jul 1 #160

Well, that stinks purple_haze Jul 1 #177

This one is from even earlier: Polybius Jul 1 #184