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EarlG

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29. My question is why did the officer draw his gun in the first place?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 11:05 AM
Jan 8

Was there a reason to have a firearm out and pointed at the driver in that situation?

DHS policy "generally" prohibits ICE agents from discharging firearms for the purpose of disabling a moving vehicle. However, the policy includes an exception for when the subject in a moving vehicle is "threatening deadly force" with the vehicle or by other means. This exception states agents should only discharge their firearm when "no other objectively reasonable means of defense is available."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/can-ice-agents-shoot-moving-vehicles-yes-no

In the amount of time it took him to pull out his weapon, he could have simply stepped to one side and easily avoided the car, which would have been a much more reasonable means of defending himself.

It appears from the videos I've seen that he drew his gun in an effort to stop the vehicle from leaving, not because he thought his life was in danger. Then once the car started moving he fired the gun instead of stepping out of the way. Plus, the second and third shots were through the driver's side window, at which point the officer's life was clearly not in danger. Those last two shots were purely to kill the driver, not for any other reason.

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Bastard was clear of the car before shooting. Klarkashton Jan 7 #1
I agree. He had cleared Melon Jan 7 #4
He had time to step back even further, but went towards the front of the car, gun blazing. Attilatheblond Jan 8 #27
It was also like 10am sboatcar Jan 8 #31
Just the fact that he's calling himself The Facts Dude MarineCombatEngineer Jan 7 #2
This angle is a completely different perspective Melon Jan 7 #3
There's one from the front perspective - from quite a distance Ms. Toad Jan 7 #6
That's no5 good. Two aspects Melon Jan 7 #11
About 5 seconds? OC375 Jan 7 #19
Found this online. It says .3X speed Melon Jan 8 #21
I was at the doctor part of the afternoon - Ms. Toad Jan 7 #20
He leaned into the car as far as I can tell sboatcar Jan 8 #32
Also a frame by frame video at this Facebook link: dflprincess Jan 7 #5
That doesn't look good Greg_In_SF Jan 7 #7
Watch his feet dflprincess Jan 7 #8
Oh, I don't doubt Greg_In_SF Jan 7 #10
If the car is starting forward. Wheels spin. That's only a few seconds until it's over. Melon Jan 7 #12
Watch his feet - Ms. Toad Jan 7 #9
To me it looks like this asshat purposefully stepped in front of the car hoping she tries to drive away AZJonnie Jan 8 #23
Looks like the usual cop-humping trashbags will be defending this shit Prairie Gates Jan 7 #13
A couple in this thread. Kingofalldems Jan 8 #25
The Facts Dude, whom you sourced, seems to be a right wing racist. Kingofalldems Jan 7 #14
Also Colin Rugg is a right winger. Kingofalldems Jan 7 #15
I am posting for the video, which is zoomed in & slowed down. I knew nothing about the person who posted it, tblue37 Jan 7 #17
Actually facts dude is wrong Johonny Jan 7 #16
Police departments often have slightly different use of force rules. Jedi Guy Jan 8 #24
The question that they will have to answer Boo1 Jan 7 #18
Maybe because it literally took just seconds. Melon Jan 8 #22
He's reaching for his gun before the car is even moving forward. unblock Jan 8 #26
He drew when she shifted from reverse to drive ScratchCat Jan 8 #28
I guess we don't have a clear view at that moment. unblock Jan 8 #35
My question is why did the officer draw his gun in the first place? EarlG Jan 8 #29
Its a wonder his shot didn't hit the other guy Historic NY Jan 8 #30
Here you go from the NY Times--not some MAGAt: Kingofalldems Jan 8 #33
That is the best compilation and assessment I've seen. TY for posting this. n/t Whiskeytide Jan 8 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author unblock Jan 8 #34
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