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pat_k

(14,527 posts)
28. Perhaps I need a word other than "humiliating" to capture...
Wed Jun 17, 2026, 02:51 PM
Jun 17

... that he is -- under "normal" circumstances-- constitutionally incapable of accepting a loss of any kind.

He may not feel shame, but he has never, and I thought never would, taken an L.

As I noted in post #10, his surrender on this strikes me as very different than his "normal" modus operandi. It's not like a lost election that he can scream "rigged" about. It's not like a secret lawsuit settlement he can declare a "win." It is not something he can deny as "fake news."

This is a gargantuan loss on the world stage that he is publicly walking into. The public terms are/will be the public terms, and there is no way around the fact that we are FAR, FAR worse off than we were when he tore up Obama's JCPOA. His criminal war was a cataclysmic mistake and the only out was always going to be sucking up terms of surrender.

It seems to me that the NPD part of his dual diagnosis ASPD/NPD would have had him endlessly screaming at his "negotiation team" to get a better deal. And when they did not/could not, he would have cast himself as the "strongman" holding out for that better deal. If he were "himself," I would have expected him to avoid surrender at all costs, and to hell with the domestic and international chaos and escalating harms.

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Win or lose... lame54 Jun 17 #1
When a person has no memory of what's happening hour-to-hour, it becomes even easier to confabulate to match fantasies. pat_k Jun 17 #4
In addition to cognitive factors, he may be more insulated than he used to be. RockRaven Jun 17 #2
He is but he still knows. underpants Jun 17 #7
If his short-term memory is shot to hell, as I suspect..... pat_k Jun 17 #23
He's always been shameless, especially at lying. surfered Jun 17 #3
He's constructed his own reality his whole life, but reality has a nasty way of inserting itself. pat_k Jun 17 #5
He has always been shameless - because of his NPD. maxsolomon Jun 17 #6
Perhaps this is just another loss to be denied, but it feels different. pat_k Jun 17 #10
I hope you're right. maxsolomon Jun 17 #16
If my guess is right and his short-term memory is shot to hell... pat_k Jun 17 #22
I think that his reptilian brain picks up negative vibes from people wnylib Jun 17 #34
Wouldn't surprise me. pat_k Jun 17 #35
correct Skittles Jun 17 #25
Good bet malaise Jun 17 #8
The scope of the defeat is stunning even to Trump haters Prairie Gates Jun 17 #9
He's in rapid cognitive decline... agingdem Jun 17 #11
The felon does think his followers are imbeciles Progressive dog Jun 17 #12
Facebook has been showing me Reels of fresh interviews with die-hard MAGAts. maxsolomon Jun 17 #19
I think it merely shows his desperation misanthrope Jun 17 #13
Could certainly be the case. But if there were a way to resolve the bet, I'd put money on short-term memory deficit... pat_k Jun 17 #15
What a nut you have to watch it to believe it. ArnoldLayne Jun 17 #14
Krasnov is doing it to avoid $7/gal gas on the 4th of July, gab13by13 Jun 17 #17
As I replied above, he certainly may know what he's doing... pat_k Jun 17 #21
Well that press conference is all the evidence you needed malaise Jun 17 #18
That was pretty obvious in the state visit to China. Hugin Jun 17 #20
Narcissists generally have very poor self recognition. They don't do "shame"... Wounded Bear Jun 17 #24
Perhaps I need a word other than "humiliating" to capture... pat_k Jun 17 #28
My prediction: He signs an Iran agreement shortly before dying. eggplant Jun 17 #26
Nah Johnny2X2X Jun 17 #27
Could be. However, when details are made public, I suspect that... pat_k Jun 17 #30
The current deal un-freezes all of their assets Johnny2X2X Jun 17 #31
Which makes his condemnations of JPCOA laughable. pat_k Jun 17 #32
P.S. I'm assuming you meant "deal unfreezes" pat_k Jun 17 #33
Yah think? malaise Jun 17 #29
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