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SunSeeker

(57,958 posts)
22. It's all relative.
Sun Feb 15, 2026, 09:00 PM
20 hrs ago

In 1965, the Mustang was the best little runabout around, compared to anything else out there at the time. And it was no dog.

Fast forward to the 1970s and 1980s, as gas got more expensive and people wanted something zippy but fuel efficient, Japan gave us the Civic and Corolla. American manufacturers gave us crap like the Pinto and Chevette. American car manufacturers never caught up and now have abandoned that segment to the Japanese. Your experience with American cars is not the norm.
And as you note, you now drive a Civic.

American manufacturers continue to lag behind foreign manufacturers with major component (i.e. engine & transmission) reliability issues that you don't get with Japanese manufacturers, and the disparity has only gotten worse. It's not just the number of defects per car, but what the defect is.

I would be happy to pay the high prices if the American cars were as reliable and efficient as Toyotas or Hondas. But they're not.

I really wanted to continue to support American manufacturers, but they have made it impossible. I currently own a 2021 Ford Escape PHEV. I wish I had bought the more expensive Toyota RAV4 Prime. The trips to the Ford dealership have gotten to be almost monthly. It took them 4 tries to fix a check engine light the last 2 months. The Escape was in the shop for weeks. My next car will definitely be a Toyota RAV4 PHEV. Life is too short to spend at the dealer. And Ford discontinued the Escape this year anyway. Ford has now abandoned the compact SUV market to the Japanese as well. Pathetic.

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I'm good with this. Enough bullshit already. Klarkashton Yesterday #1
These MAGA motherfuckers only want to fucking increase tariffs to fuck us all up. Piss on those fucking MAGA turds. SoFlaBro Yesterday #2
Didn't they see how we treated the Japanese and South Korean auto workers in Georgia? Deuxcents Yesterday #3
Maybe they should have had work visa's? EX500rider Yesterday #7
There were three Japanese workers who were caught up in that bullshit RazorbackExpat 8 hrs ago #38
I think we should be able to choose what we want to buy. It's call the free market walkingman Yesterday #4
As long as they meet or exceed US safety standards, then good. flvegan Yesterday #5
We've given US auto companies so many chances and bailouts. SunSeeker Yesterday #6
Ford was the only one NOT to take a bailout. tazcat 20 hrs ago #16
I know, but Ford has leaned on protectionist policies like all of the other American car manufacturers. SunSeeker 20 hrs ago #23
I dont get the constant bashing of US auto quality. Callie1979 20 hrs ago #17
It's all relative. SunSeeker 20 hrs ago #22
Abandoning the smaller car mkt has pissed me off too. I prefer 2 door coupes. Callie1979 16 min ago #40
As someone who works for one of the big three radicalleft 11 hrs ago #32
I'd love to get a Chinese EV Jerry2144 Yesterday #8
Wait till Toyota gets their solid state batteries to market Callie1979 20 hrs ago #18
I would like to buy a BYD RainCaster Yesterday #9
A common sentiment around the world, in fact peppertree 19 hrs ago #24
I'm currently in Rwanda and ... SomewhereInTheMiddle 10 hrs ago #35
My wife's 40+ year old Toyota is now owned by a neighbor who is still driving it daily. hunter 4 hrs ago #39
so the UAW is gonna work for china level slave wages to keep car prices down? msongs 23 hrs ago #10
I don't think so and hope they organize them for a living wage. multigraincracker 17 hrs ago #29
Pay the rRump family enough money and you can get what you want....nt mitch96 21 hrs ago #11
And by "fairly soon" your mean 5 to 10 years? mountain grammy 21 hrs ago #12
By then, self-driving cars might be fully mainstream and perfected Polybius 20 hrs ago #14
Sounds good!👍 mountain grammy 19 hrs ago #25
I cringe when I see the words "Made in China" on anything. Dr. T 20 hrs ago #13
A BYD would be interesting. BidenRocks 20 hrs ago #15
I dont know, I see a LOT of "ego vehicles" on the roads today. Callie1979 20 hrs ago #20
If it's the same cars they're planning on selling in Canada aggiesal 20 hrs ago #19
Most Chinese-manufactured vehicles do not meet U.S. federal safety standards Mosby 20 hrs ago #21
I'm guessing that and anticipated tariffs is why you can't go to a showroom and buy one today. Ilikepurple 19 hrs ago #26
Neither do the ones built by Musk. multigraincracker 17 hrs ago #30
I remember a month ago watching a video about Russians having no options but China vehicles and nightmare stories about yaesu 18 hrs ago #27
US legacy automakers rolled over Miguelito Loveless 18 hrs ago #28
NO THEY DID NOT! radicalleft 11 hrs ago #33
EV adoption was increasing double digit Miguelito Loveless 10 hrs ago #34
Look how well English exceptionalism worked out for them. hunter 13 hrs ago #31
US automakers have had their chance. Lots of people want small, energy-efficient vehicles. Vinca 9 hrs ago #36
competition is the only thing that forces quality angrycaveman 9 hrs ago #37
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