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stopdiggin

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31. My objection to 'hand counting' lies in that it is a bogus nostrum

Reply to questionseverything (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 9, 2025, 08:59 PM

Mar 9

Proposed to 'fix' problems that largely don't exist. (the old 'solution in search of a problem' gambit)

2) it is largely the creature and creation of the obstructionist 'muck up the works' 'can't trust the government' right - whose ultimate agenda is something quite, quite different from peaceful, orderly and fair elections

and 3) that 'hand counting' has been demonstrated over and over to be less accurate and reliable (not to mention hugely time consuming and costly for added bonus) than the methods and practices that are already in place today.

In short - (IMO) it has little or nothing to recommend itself.

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Democrats: Stop Running to the Center - Robert Reich [View all] Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 OP

because the last election showed us how the country stopdiggin Feb 27 #1

That's what Robert Reich saw and he's been following elections a lot longer than I have Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #2

There's no such thing as a political expert Polybius Mar 9 #25

No the last election showed us that chasing the illusive Republican who will vote Democratic Nanjeanne Feb 28 #19

ah, yes. "what the Ds lack is solid 'messaging' " stopdiggin Feb 28 #21

It was a "disjointed" message. My heart sank when I saw what happened to Biden during the debate. That long pause, Biden CTyankee Feb 28 #23

You argue as passionately against a left shift as questionseverything Mar 9 #28

Darn straight. Unapologetically. And with some conviction. stopdiggin Mar 9 #29

If we really want to win elections, we should be able to verify the count questionseverything Mar 9 #30

My objection to 'hand counting' lies in that it is a bogus nostrum stopdiggin Mar 9 #31

It's transparent which should beat everything in a democracy questionseverything Mar 9 #32

have to be joking stopdiggin Mar 9 #33

Overton window Be Leave On Feb 27 #3

Thanks so much! And I tend to believe Robert Reich Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #4

A blunt opinion Nulock Feb 27 #5

Thanks for your thoughtful response Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #6

Thank you. Nulock Feb 27 #7

I agree with you and what's happening now absolutely baffles me Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #9

Although I detest Reagan, markodochartaigh Feb 27 #12

I was certainly no fan of Reagan, either, though his "beliefs" were the complete opposite of TFG's Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #14

Trump's essentially a crime boss and the Republican Party has become his crime family. Nulock Feb 27 #13

Wow! I completely take your point and certainly agree Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #15

He has the entire political apparatus of the state at his disposal and command. Nulock Feb 27 #16

And the fact that he has these ardent "loyalists" makes no sense to me Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #17

I'll buy in to that - in general terms, if not every specific ... stopdiggin Feb 27 #11

Completely agree DeepWinter Feb 28 #22

Pretty good article from a DU member posted here. Nulock Mar 1 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Mar 16 #37

That was cosmic, I just made a post on another thread that aligned with Robert's message before I saw this video Uncle Joe Feb 27 #8

Awww, thanks, Uncle Joe! Rhiannon12866 Feb 27 #10

We didn't lose from running to the center somsai Feb 27 #18

Well said. Think. Again. Mar 9 #26

or perhaps the party of many small tents who can't come together when it matters? cadoman Mar 12 #34

Stop compromising. We need to get Enthusiastic & get our own movement going! Maga gives us lots of ammunition. NowsTheTime Feb 28 #20

I can't rec this post enough. Think. Again. Mar 9 #27

K & R. We have a centrist problem. Emile Mar 15 #35

We've been moving right ever since Reagan. Trump is the logical outcome of our strategy. jalan48 Mar 15 #36

This is what centrism sounds like ... Intractable Mar 16 #38

Chuck Schumer needs to take notes and learn. Emile Mar 17 #39

Since Carter, and then Clinton, Obama. Passages Mar 18 #40